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[–] 133 points 2 years ago (39 children)

Extremely, tarrifs will erase the middle class. All regulations will be repealed allowing even more corporate power and influence. We're about to experience the Gilded Age on crack mixed with the burning hells of our mother Earth scorned.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago

    They're done with the middle class here. They don't want to raise the poverty level worldwide, they want to bring us down to match the rest of the world. It's strip-mining time, we're too expensive for the international rich's tastes.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Time to stock up on the automatic rifles they want us all to have so much, and learn carpentry to build some guillotines.

    Maybe the French will help us again, they've got some experience with this.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why do you need to learn carpentry? Isn’t it a slot with a big metal blade? Add a rope so you can pull it up, and let it go to make it work…

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Look, I'm no guillotine-ologist, but I think if I was going to construct one I would forgo my usual method of measure once and cut 5 to 10 times until I have to go get another board because I've destroyed the last one.

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  • [+] -20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    We dont need guillotines. We need to heal our culture and unify Americans by ending the two party system that thrives off our division. We are so big we should be lead by a coalition of factions. Not whatever the fuck this is.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Ah yes, the same rhetoric that got us into this mess. Do nothing that actually makes a difference, but try to "fix" it from within. Meanwhile everything is being stolen with intentional legal loopholes.

    How do you propose removing the two party system, which the two parties comprising the entirety of the government have every incentive to keep because it's the only reason they have the power they do? The only way, as designed an within the existing system is to get enough representation in to force that change, which means replacing 2/3 of Congress essentially at the same time to force super majorities on both sides.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Do I need to remind everyone that the French Revolution eventually fed their own into the guillotines? No? We're just keen on repeating every bit of history until we're baked off this rock? Okay. Let's do that instead of trying to ratify citizen petitions, getting collective action, and actually building a unified ideal over time. Nah, thats much too hard. Buy some wood, meet up with the three other willing people, and go stand outside some politicians house with a guillotine while he calls his donners all scared and they write up more protest laws.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Let’s do that instead of trying to ratify citizen petitions, getting collective action, and actually building a unified ideal over time.

    Those work on a local level, not federal. Citizens have no control of anything Federal. The Federal government doesn't have to listen to the citizens at all. The only consequence for them is during re-election. There they'll just gerrymander the districts to force a win either way overall.

    The federal government relies on each branch overseeing each other. And the Republicans have a stacked blatantly partisan Supreme Court that gave the office of the President total immunity. And a Republican majority in both sides of Congress completely willing to let Trump do what he wants as far of the plan.

    Fixing this at a federal level will require getting to the exact opposite point we're at now since we've allowed it to get to this point.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No they'll keep things like the farm subsidies, may even expand them. The tariffs will leave those out. That's the socialism their base is 100% reliant on. They won't risk turning on the rural farmers until the end when it they're not a threat. They've already shown a complete willingness to ignore absolutely everything else until this point.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    If he manages to pull off even 25% we will be fucked until the last soul melts on the 200 degree pavement. Its never the time for regressionism, but now is especially a bad time.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ending farming and allowing nature to return would prevent a dust bowl. Allowing a field to go fallow means that a whole lot of plants start growing.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Okay don't rage at me. How do tarrifs affect the middle class?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (17 children)

    We end up paying them. Not countries, or corporations. The cost gets passed to consumers.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Okay, but why is that specific to the middle class?

    Also, wouldn't it make sense to tarrif all the businesses who are using other countries for cheap labor?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    What good do tarrifs do towards companies if they pass that on to consumers? When will that price ever touch their wallets? Its not specific to the middle class, the poor will also be eradicated. I just thought I'd mention we're heading towards a shit ass society where you are either poor or rich. Theres no in between, theres no comfort, theres just a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Well it should hit them in the wallet when people choose not to buy that thing because there's something better at the same price here.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    But it doesnt. It hits us in our wallets, dude.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Don't buy the stuff. Buy the American stuff so it goes back in American wallets. That's the idea right?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (11 children)

    Do I need to show you the sheer volume of imports? What the fuck is even made in America? Electronic air dusters and other random assortments? Definitely not the items we use and buy on a daily basis.

    But you know what, you seem to think this is a great fucken idea. So I'll just see you in four years and we'll see what's what. Its not going to be pretty. The guy said so himself.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Do you think these things need to be made by China? What's so wrong about making it profitable to make them in America?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Because capitalism dictates you make it where its cheapest to make it. Because a lot of these companies aren't American and it won't be made here. Because a lot of us won't survive the next four years with 30% across the board. American manufacturing is great

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Okay, so you get that we make things where it's cheapest and that tarrifs raise the price of outside business, and you're not seeing how that moves manufacturing jobs to America?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Why would they? You can't beat Chinese factory workers at less than a dollar a day. This won't do shit but make things more expensive. American Workers would have to be devalued massively to move the jobs back. Is that something you're willing to put up with?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I don't think you understand. Things SHOULD be more expensive and that money should go back in our own pockets instead of the pockets of people who exploit cheap labor elsewhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    I dont think YOU understand, that money isn't going in our pockets.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Maybe not yours, but I work hard enough that I became the QA director of my company in less than a year. I'm doing okay and so are my techs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Good for you then. I guess its all good guys. Mango is good so we're good. Thats all that matters is that Mango is good.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Do you think we should be entitled to products made by exploited labor classes? Is it okay that we're okay and they're not?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    Mango you got to get your head outta your ass. If you think that tariffs will make jobs come back to America and even more so because you're doing good, oh brother.

    Example: I buy a t-shirt 15 dollars in China. You're saying that now we can buy the shirt in the US. For 49 dollars? The money goes back to us? First of all no it doesn't it still goes to the big leagues in the t-shirt company while minimum wage is 7.25 dollars.

    Secondly: if you can buy the t-shirt with tariffs 25 dollars instead from China, you still do. Why the fuck would you buy it for 49 in the US? Cause it's American? You know people got bills to pay and health problems right? There's a reality we live in

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