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Far left intellectualism (lemmy.world)
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[–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

You can't both sides a genocide, especially when one side clearly started it by settling the other one's territory, taking their land, and displacing hundreds of thousands of people, without their input. Hamas only popped up decades into Israel taking more and more territory, after many Palestine tried many other ways to fight back but failed.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    clearly started it by settling the other one's territory

    That's a very simplistic take on the history

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not simplistic, it's factual. It's more complicated than some people think, but way more simple than Zionists make it look, who try to I jegt artificial nuance to make people look away. And it's worked up until the internet has made it easier to see the genocide than ever before. I'd recommend looking into the British Mandate of Palestine, how a state was promised to Palestinians than reneged by the West to keep the Middle East in chaos, Herzl and the history of Jewish immigration to Israel (and alternative places they were considering like Africa), and the Nakba. Someone around here has a lot of good links, too. I'd also recommend looking into the US, Canadian, and Australian history to find out what settler colonialism is and see how it applies to Palestine.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What would you say to the zionist jews that were already living in Palestine? Or to those in neighbouring states of the Ottoman empire that moved within those borders to find a place with less oppression? Did they 'colonize' their own country?

    What would you say to someone that survived a pogrom in Russia and migrated the remains of their family to a collectivist farm in an empty piece of desert, merely as survival because they had nowhere else to go?

    There's a lot of nuance to be found if you are willing to look a little deeper into it

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They weren't Zionist just because they were Jewish people. They integrated into Palestinian society, they did not ethnically cleanse the Territory like the early Zionists.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There were jews already living there that wanted their muslim and christian neighbours replaced with jews, and there were jewish immigrants that were happy to build a kibbutz out in the desert and trade with their Arab neighbours.

    What of the jews that were ethnically cleansed out of their Arab and North African countries? Where should they have moved?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago

    a western colony

    Israel grew out of an existing jewish presence, and the first waves of immigrants came from Russia and Yemen, while under Ottoman control. Whoever told you it's a 'western colony' was lying to you

    where the money was

    Most arrived with nothing and worked long hours in collectivist communes

    The arabs never expelled anybody.

    You can find some nice sourced examples in here

    And again: where do you suggest they should have moved?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Well most of the jews that were living there in the 1880's will probably be dead by now, so it was mostly a hypothetical question of you travelling back in time and telling someone who was born in Palestine, from parents who were born in Palestine, that they were foreign settlers and had to leave

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