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[+] banner80@fedia.io 61 points 2 years ago (39 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 45 child comments replies: [–] hobovision@lemm.ee 43 points 2 years ago (3 children) I mostly agree with you, especially point (1), but what are you talking about with "Hamas did genocide on Isreal last year"? They did a terror attack for sure, but that's not genocide. Wiping out significant percentage of a population because of their ethnicity or culture is genocide (see what Isreal is doing in Gaza) and it takes months to years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don’t know if the “genocide of Israelis” sotuation would occur if the power dynamics were flipped "Death to the Jews" doesn't give you a clue? There's no good guys in this conflict except the civilians caught in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Very disingenuous, Palestinians are fighting against Zionism, not Judaism, which are two very different things. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. SettlementsIsrael does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades. This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet Declassified Massacres of 1948 Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians. State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves. The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal. https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence One or Two State Solution The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases. Avi Shlaim How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe One State Solution, Foreign Affairs Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Source During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza. In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [+] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) History has proven this time and time again. When faced with a loss, the Dems will always look towards the center to gain voters. Because like it or not, the left wing is heavily outnumbered by moderates who are more focused on their own lives than the intricacies of world and domestic politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DogWater@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's just a bell curve. It's a normal distribution. In order to see the Dems move policy left, we need a ranked choice voting system of some type where you can actually vote for the candidate you want without throwing it away if they don't win. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Not to mention that moderates can be counted on to actually get off their asses and vote most of the time. I swear I am convinced at this point that we won't see major progressive initiative in the democratic party until those of us that actually show up find our 20 closest friends and drag them by the hair to register and cast the ballot during the primaries, and then do it again in the general because by then they'll be saying their own guys are shitlibs or whatever excuse to not be accountable to the cause. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fern@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (16 children) There's a lot you're saying that I agree with, but it's undeniable that sending weapons to Isreal is not solving this problem it's directly causing the problem. Biden is incredibly ineffective at solving this and is not holding any sort of red line for real. He needs to hold Isreal accountable for their actions. We have sent billions and billions of dollars of weapons to Isreal, and we likely aren't stopping anytime soon even if Kamala is elected. We need to hold their feet to the fire and show them this is unacceptable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) It doesn't matter. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't even in the top 10 major threats to our country. You can be unhappy about it, but this election is literally deciding whether the US will be a fascist, theocracic dictatorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (15 children) I agree with your stance, but it's a hell of a hard pill to swallow when both action and inaction directly support the continued financing of a genocide. Vote for the lesser evil now, but make up for it by holding them to account to the fullest of your ability once they're in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (15 replies) [–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago 3 - Participating in and commenting on the voting mechanism is just one bit of the overall development of political, social and cultural history. What seems to be "normal" or "acceptable" or "possible" to a given person/part of a population, is the outcome of discourse and maybe more important: concrete options. Tangible options to participate in something solidary that's useful and provides meaningful participation, make left values and ideas soo much more credible and "in reach". IMO these options and experiences can at the moment only really be created from below. Neither corporations nor the government (any time soon) will provide the people with democratic economic solitutions, neighboorhood solidarity, labor organization, collective housing, social movements etc. You are so much more than voters. You can organize the practical and ideological negation of the BS you oppose so rightfully. Be it a better third option or leftshifting the dems, anyway the whole voting part of history will become more fun that way, too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Based permalink fedilink source parent [–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago What's insane is that the US is supporting a genocide and the fascist israel government and there's still people who have the guts to take government side. Shame on you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war 1 - USA is already helping israel with "whatever it needs". The support of fascist israel government is already tripled up. There's a disaster already, kids are being murdered daily right now. 2 - Less than a click is needed, usa just have to say that they will stop sending money and weapons to israel if they don't stop and israel government will have to stop. Israel government is waging war because they have the back of USA. If you don’t vote for Harris over a mess in the Middle East that we didn’t directly create Learn your history. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (33 replies)
[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 43 points 2 years ago (3 children) I mostly agree with you, especially point (1), but what are you talking about with "Hamas did genocide on Isreal last year"? They did a terror attack for sure, but that's not genocide. Wiping out significant percentage of a population because of their ethnicity or culture is genocide (see what Isreal is doing in Gaza) and it takes months to years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don’t know if the “genocide of Israelis” sotuation would occur if the power dynamics were flipped "Death to the Jews" doesn't give you a clue? There's no good guys in this conflict except the civilians caught in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Very disingenuous, Palestinians are fighting against Zionism, not Judaism, which are two very different things. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. SettlementsIsrael does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades. This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet Declassified Massacres of 1948 Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians. State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves. The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal. https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence One or Two State Solution The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases. Avi Shlaim How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe One State Solution, Foreign Affairs Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Source During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza. In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don’t know if the “genocide of Israelis” sotuation would occur if the power dynamics were flipped "Death to the Jews" doesn't give you a clue? There's no good guys in this conflict except the civilians caught in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Very disingenuous, Palestinians are fighting against Zionism, not Judaism, which are two very different things. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. SettlementsIsrael does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades. This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet Declassified Massacres of 1948 Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians. State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves. The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal. https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence One or Two State Solution The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases. Avi Shlaim How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe One State Solution, Foreign Affairs Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Source During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza. In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don’t know if the “genocide of Israelis” sotuation would occur if the power dynamics were flipped "Death to the Jews" doesn't give you a clue? There's no good guys in this conflict except the civilians caught in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Very disingenuous, Palestinians are fighting against Zionism, not Judaism, which are two very different things. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. SettlementsIsrael does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades. This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet Declassified Massacres of 1948 Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians. State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves. The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal. https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence One or Two State Solution The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases. Avi Shlaim How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe One State Solution, Foreign Affairs Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Source During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza. In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Very disingenuous, Palestinians are fighting against Zionism, not Judaism, which are two very different things. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. SettlementsIsrael does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades. This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet Declassified Massacres of 1948 Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians. State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves. The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal. https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence One or Two State Solution The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases. Avi Shlaim How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe One State Solution, Foreign Affairs Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Source During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza. In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[+] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) History has proven this time and time again. When faced with a loss, the Dems will always look towards the center to gain voters. Because like it or not, the left wing is heavily outnumbered by moderates who are more focused on their own lives than the intricacies of world and domestic politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DogWater@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's just a bell curve. It's a normal distribution. In order to see the Dems move policy left, we need a ranked choice voting system of some type where you can actually vote for the candidate you want without throwing it away if they don't win. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Not to mention that moderates can be counted on to actually get off their asses and vote most of the time. I swear I am convinced at this point that we won't see major progressive initiative in the democratic party until those of us that actually show up find our 20 closest friends and drag them by the hair to register and cast the ballot during the primaries, and then do it again in the general because by then they'll be saying their own guys are shitlibs or whatever excuse to not be accountable to the cause. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) History has proven this time and time again. When faced with a loss, the Dems will always look towards the center to gain voters. Because like it or not, the left wing is heavily outnumbered by moderates who are more focused on their own lives than the intricacies of world and domestic politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DogWater@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's just a bell curve. It's a normal distribution. In order to see the Dems move policy left, we need a ranked choice voting system of some type where you can actually vote for the candidate you want without throwing it away if they don't win. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Not to mention that moderates can be counted on to actually get off their asses and vote most of the time. I swear I am convinced at this point that we won't see major progressive initiative in the democratic party until those of us that actually show up find our 20 closest friends and drag them by the hair to register and cast the ballot during the primaries, and then do it again in the general because by then they'll be saying their own guys are shitlibs or whatever excuse to not be accountable to the cause. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's just a bell curve. It's a normal distribution. In order to see the Dems move policy left, we need a ranked choice voting system of some type where you can actually vote for the candidate you want without throwing it away if they don't win. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Not to mention that moderates can be counted on to actually get off their asses and vote most of the time. I swear I am convinced at this point that we won't see major progressive initiative in the democratic party until those of us that actually show up find our 20 closest friends and drag them by the hair to register and cast the ballot during the primaries, and then do it again in the general because by then they'll be saying their own guys are shitlibs or whatever excuse to not be accountable to the cause. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fern@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (16 children) There's a lot you're saying that I agree with, but it's undeniable that sending weapons to Isreal is not solving this problem it's directly causing the problem. Biden is incredibly ineffective at solving this and is not holding any sort of red line for real. He needs to hold Isreal accountable for their actions. We have sent billions and billions of dollars of weapons to Isreal, and we likely aren't stopping anytime soon even if Kamala is elected. We need to hold their feet to the fire and show them this is unacceptable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) It doesn't matter. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't even in the top 10 major threats to our country. You can be unhappy about it, but this election is literally deciding whether the US will be a fascist, theocracic dictatorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (15 children) I agree with your stance, but it's a hell of a hard pill to swallow when both action and inaction directly support the continued financing of a genocide. Vote for the lesser evil now, but make up for it by holding them to account to the fullest of your ability once they're in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (15 replies)
[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) It doesn't matter. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't even in the top 10 major threats to our country. You can be unhappy about it, but this election is literally deciding whether the US will be a fascist, theocracic dictatorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (15 children) I agree with your stance, but it's a hell of a hard pill to swallow when both action and inaction directly support the continued financing of a genocide. Vote for the lesser evil now, but make up for it by holding them to account to the fullest of your ability once they're in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] egrets@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (15 children) I agree with your stance, but it's a hell of a hard pill to swallow when both action and inaction directly support the continued financing of a genocide. Vote for the lesser evil now, but make up for it by holding them to account to the fullest of your ability once they're in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments load more comments (15 replies)
[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago 3 - Participating in and commenting on the voting mechanism is just one bit of the overall development of political, social and cultural history. What seems to be "normal" or "acceptable" or "possible" to a given person/part of a population, is the outcome of discourse and maybe more important: concrete options. Tangible options to participate in something solidary that's useful and provides meaningful participation, make left values and ideas soo much more credible and "in reach". IMO these options and experiences can at the moment only really be created from below. Neither corporations nor the government (any time soon) will provide the people with democratic economic solitutions, neighboorhood solidarity, labor organization, collective housing, social movements etc. You are so much more than voters. You can organize the practical and ideological negation of the BS you oppose so rightfully. Be it a better third option or leftshifting the dems, anyway the whole voting part of history will become more fun that way, too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago What's insane is that the US is supporting a genocide and the fascist israel government and there's still people who have the guts to take government side. Shame on you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war 1 - USA is already helping israel with "whatever it needs". The support of fascist israel government is already tripled up. There's a disaster already, kids are being murdered daily right now. 2 - Less than a click is needed, usa just have to say that they will stop sending money and weapons to israel if they don't stop and israel government will have to stop. Israel government is waging war because they have the back of USA. If you don’t vote for Harris over a mess in the Middle East that we didn’t directly create Learn your history. permalink fedilink source parent