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We'll have a long memory as things get worse for working class Americans, minorities and women
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this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2024
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Trump's track record and intentions for his next term are crystal clear. They are clearly and demonstrably worse than harris'plans or Biden/harris' previous term.
That info is widely available. To ignore it now, and claim to need "convincing" is madness at best, or bad faith at worst.
I already wasn't going to vote for Trump, so threatening me with him doesn't make me want to vote for Democrats, it makes me want both parties to lose.
No offense but taking it as "threatening" and not understanding that I've of them WILL win is comically short sighted.
Folks aren't trying to find someone a date, they're explaining the consequences of a FPTP election with limited possible outcomes.
Needing to be handled with kid gloves is privileged
No offense, but saying "support my candidate or else the bad man will win" and not understanding that people will see this as a threat is comically bad public relations.
Folks aren't looking for someone to vote against, they're looking for someone to vote for.
Needing to be handled with kid gloves so you don't have to face the weakness of your own rhetoric is privileged.
If you don't get being in a constrained system there's nothing else to discuss. Decide for yourself on who of the two candidates you want, and vote to empower either. Even inaction has a consequence.
I work in cybersecurity, finding ways to break out of "constrained systems" is literally my job.
I also already voted, I'm just not pretending that American "democracy" is anything other than a process for legitimizing an Imperial state.
The voters have no agency, the only people who do are those who constrained the available options to "bad" and "worse". But you're trying to hold those people blameless by insisting that voters are answerable to the party rather than the other way around. The Democrats can't fail, they can only be failed by potential voters who are insufficiently terrified of their "opponents".
The Democrats only need a Republican stick so that they don't have to offer us more carrots, the right move is to stop being a donkey and farm our own carrots.
Let the parties die, the Republican party will collapse to infighting after Trump loses anyway.
Do you have a plan to effectively break out of the constrained system in the next 10 days? If not, it's all academic
So "no"
"in the next 10 days to effectively break out"
Edit doesn't sound effective, in the provided time span, so the language carries.
Welcome to the conclusion. Constrained system.
If this is your conclusion, what was your premise?
Well you'd have to read above
I tried, all I'm getting is a vague impression that you think change isn't possible. That the bipartisan death spiral is inevitable. And yet, you still act like people have a moral responsibility to vote for the continuance of the status quo. As if you believe both that voting can save the world and that everyone must vote for a lesser evil.
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Way to take the mask off, lol~
Mask off claim when you've driven the conversation to a dead end, sure thing boss
I'm "mask off" in every comment I make. Because I'm not selling, and not tricking. I'm consistent across my comment history that harris is not to be loved but we are in a rough electoral spot. Trump represents chaos and harm, and given 2 choices, I choose not-trump. I'm not so idealistic or myopic to assume I get to pick my perfect person for president of the most influential country on earth. I choose harm reduction. Edit because there are people in this country who don't need it any harder than they already have it, and trump has made clear he'll do just that.
Choosing anything other than competitive not-trump in the next 10 days is academic masturbation hoping to ride a high horse. Edit further it speaks to privilege where there is an assumption that "good things" will come via chaos, and some more ideal system will arrive via teaching the dems a lesson. Oops forgot about the millions of people who will see worse outcomes along the way, and the people of Palestine will have even worse outcomes than now.
If you've got a candidate that can beat trump in 10 days and is not pro netanyahu I'm all ears.