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Is it too much to ask to demand an end to genocide? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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After a day and several replies from people. I've come to the conclusion that people here are ok with their party and leaders supporting genocide and they attack the questioners (instead of their party leaders) who criticize those who support genocide. Critical thinking is scarce here.

I'm shameful of humanity.

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[–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Cloak and dagger? It's literally just applying for positions of lower power to help influence systems to open the gates for higher levels of power. It's... normal everyday shit.

If there were "enough" socialists we'd either have a valid third party or we'd be able to democratically take over DNC primaries. So far that hasn't materialized.

Given there are other countries, like the Nordic countries, that have achieved greater quality of life for their people through democratic socialist means... yeah I'd much prefer that approach than a full on revolution led by some vanguard and the horrendous amount of risk that entails.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You've studiously avoided the question no one seems willing to address.

    Why would anyone move their policies an inch to the left if they are assured of the votes anyway?

    Doesn't matter if they're in the primaries, the presidential election or the bloody village mayor. No one will shift to meet the policies of a group whose votes they are guaranteed to get anyway.

    Given there are other countries, like the Nordic countries, that have achieved greater quality of life for their people...

    Ahh. The Nordics. You mean the countries famous for their coalitions where people vote even for the smaller candidates who suit their preferences to form small elements in a mixed government... Those Nordic countries?

    Incidentally, the same Nordic countries that are now facing the same rise in racist populism that evey other country is facing across the globe?

    It's almost as if the problem were systemic and nothing to do with a bunch of leftists not wanting to vote in favour of genocide...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Biden and soon Harris are, to my understanding, the most progressive presidents we've had in the US. Why are they moving (slowly) left over time?

    And yes, those Nordics. To my understanding it's not just social culture forming those coalitions, but an actual government system that allows for such coalition building. I would like the same or similar systems, sure.

    Fascism and racism are systemic, nobody is disagreeing with you about that?

    Anyway, that's as much energy as I'm willing to spend on someone who does not converse in good faith. Stay safe out there.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    that's as much energy as I'm willing to spend on someone who does not converse in good faith.

    Ahh. The apocryphal 'bad faith'. Last resort of failing argument. If in doubt, accuse your interlocutor of arguing in 'bad faith' and retreat to the comforting safety of your echo chamber.

    Would you like a reassuring copy of the New York Times to read? I'm sure they'll have an article somewhere about how everything's going to be be just fine so long as we tick the right box at election time.

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