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Insanity (lemmy.world)
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[–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

In my experience (lived in four countries, ~30 cities / towns), public transport just feels unsafe. It’s always a choice between crazies shouting, groups of teenagers playfighting and blasting their mobile phones on full volume or just the good old rapey stare from strangers. I’d rather not be exposed to all the worst elements of society at close quarters in a metal tube I can’t escape from.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Isn't that a bit self-fulfilling, though? If more people rode the bus, then it wouldn't be all creeps and teens.

    For my part, having lived in Philly where the people on the busses are actually quite pleasant, it was still too inefficient to make it work. A ten minute drive would be over an hour on the bus, and god help you if the bus was running late (I'm kidding, the bus was always running late). That's a problem that gets worse when there are more riders. As soon as it got too cold to ride a bike, busses would be completely full and unable to take more riders, which meant you'd have to wait for the next one.

    Employers aren't very understanding about being late. Even if you had a direct route from your house to your job, you'd still need to account for extra time for delays. Taking the bus means you pack on two extra hours onto your commute every day, which even at minimum wage is $3,770 worth of time every year. At a living wage, it's over $10,000 per year. Even with upkeep and insurance, anybody getting paid enough to live practically needs a car. And that's if you live and work in the city, which is the ideal situation for public transit. Move to the burbs, and that bus ain't going where you are.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    It seems like it would be a self fulfilling prophecy, you are right.

    At the same time, having lived in London for 10 years... This is from today: https://red.artemislena.eu/r/london/comments/1fprfcy/i_cant_even_take_the_bus_in_peace_due_to_sexual/

    The argument that more people taking public transport would somehow fix this makes no sense in a place like London. It’s a gigantic city with public transport permanently bursting at the seams.

    A bus through a dodgy area at midnight won’t feel safe unless it’s policed somehow. I don’t know where the resources for that could possibly come from.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hi, which countries did you live in? I've also lived in several countries throughout my life and only experienced what you're describing in the US (at least in the city I live in, maybe it's a bias)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Public transport in London was probably the worst. Case in point: https://red.artemislena.eu/r/london/comments/1fprfcy/i_cant_even_take_the_bus_in_peace_due_to_sexual/

    The argument that more people taking public transport would somehow fix this makes no sense in a place like London. It’s a gigantic city with public transport permanently bursting at the seams.

    A bus through a dodgy area at midnight won’t feel safe unless it’s policed somehow. I don’t know where the resources for that could possibly come from.

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