▲ 222 ▼ Chappell Roan Says She’s “Voting For F@cking Kamala,” But No VP Endorsement & “F@ck Trump, For F@cking Real” (deadline.com) submitted 2 years ago* by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 235 comments fedilink hide all child comments She says it in this new video: https://x.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1838960476199211454
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 years ago (5 children) fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse. That's a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you're not going to agree with everything a candidate says. So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with? Maybe I'm just not picking up what you're putting down, but that's how your comment scans to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago Genocide to the left of me, genocide to the right….. here I am stuck in the middle with you…. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) She's not really pointing out any nuance though, she's just vaguely saying "both sides suck, but this one sucks slightly less". At that point, why even bother with a public announcement at all? Plenty of celebrities don't endorse anyone and no one care because they're not out making press releases about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can say that there are views that Harris has that I think suck, and at the same time say that I think Trump's views suck, but Harris is better. It's okay to be critical and still live in the reality of living in a FPtP system. Why make a public opinion? Just look at what her comments have brought. People are talking about her criticism of Harris, while also seeing that even though Harris doesn't exactly align with her views, she's still a clear better choice than that shit bag Trump. Intentional or not, her comments have gone viral and spread her views which will undoubtedly have an effect on some of her fans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DancingBear@midwest.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Harris’s genocide is way better than trump’s. Agree 💯 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it's not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth. I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides. Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago Did you not watch the video? She explicitly mentions transphobia and genocide. And she made that video because a quote of hers was taken out of context (much like you're doing) and people were saying her not endorsing Kamala meant she supports Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with? Of course not. That's helping Trump win. You have to overwhelmingly support everything the party does at all times, especially the stuff you disagree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've literally never heard anything even remotely close to this. Can you point me to someone who has said something that would make this an even remotely fair assessment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left. PS It has just occurred to me that you're being sarcastic. Please disregard lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with? Know your audience. I live in San Francisco. We're not voting for Trump. I feel perfectly fine discussing the merits and drawbacks of different Dem candidates with people around me. When you're up against a legitimate fascist threat? Close. Fucking. Ranks. There's no place for infighting when the margins are this close. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Until we get voting reform, the US presidential Election is a binary choice, one or the other. An endorsement is just that: supporting one candidate over the other (and obviously their policies come along with them). Doing it this way comes across as lukewarm support and isn't as helpful in getting people to vote for that candidate. Kamala Harris is an empathetic, intelligent person capable of introspection. Get her elected, then we can pressure her to reconsider certain policy positions... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If she's already elected then what reason does she have to listen to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... she's an empathetic, intelligent, introspective individual, who listens to experts, her advisors, and citizens. Not everyone needs to be manipulated to do the right thing... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are living in pure fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago Genocide to the left of me, genocide to the right….. here I am stuck in the middle with you…. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) She's not really pointing out any nuance though, she's just vaguely saying "both sides suck, but this one sucks slightly less". At that point, why even bother with a public announcement at all? Plenty of celebrities don't endorse anyone and no one care because they're not out making press releases about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can say that there are views that Harris has that I think suck, and at the same time say that I think Trump's views suck, but Harris is better. It's okay to be critical and still live in the reality of living in a FPtP system. Why make a public opinion? Just look at what her comments have brought. People are talking about her criticism of Harris, while also seeing that even though Harris doesn't exactly align with her views, she's still a clear better choice than that shit bag Trump. Intentional or not, her comments have gone viral and spread her views which will undoubtedly have an effect on some of her fans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DancingBear@midwest.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Harris’s genocide is way better than trump’s. Agree 💯 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it's not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth. I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides. Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago Did you not watch the video? She explicitly mentions transphobia and genocide. And she made that video because a quote of hers was taken out of context (much like you're doing) and people were saying her not endorsing Kamala meant she supports Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can say that there are views that Harris has that I think suck, and at the same time say that I think Trump's views suck, but Harris is better. It's okay to be critical and still live in the reality of living in a FPtP system. Why make a public opinion? Just look at what her comments have brought. People are talking about her criticism of Harris, while also seeing that even though Harris doesn't exactly align with her views, she's still a clear better choice than that shit bag Trump. Intentional or not, her comments have gone viral and spread her views which will undoubtedly have an effect on some of her fans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DancingBear@midwest.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Harris’s genocide is way better than trump’s. Agree 💯 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it's not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth. I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides. Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DancingBear@midwest.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Harris’s genocide is way better than trump’s. Agree 💯 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it's not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth. I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides. Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it's not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth. I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides. Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth. I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides. Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Username checks out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 years ago Did you not watch the video? She explicitly mentions transphobia and genocide. And she made that video because a quote of hers was taken out of context (much like you're doing) and people were saying her not endorsing Kamala meant she supports Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with? Of course not. That's helping Trump win. You have to overwhelmingly support everything the party does at all times, especially the stuff you disagree with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've literally never heard anything even remotely close to this. Can you point me to someone who has said something that would make this an even remotely fair assessment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left. PS It has just occurred to me that you're being sarcastic. Please disregard lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've literally never heard anything even remotely close to this. Can you point me to someone who has said something that would make this an even remotely fair assessment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left. PS It has just occurred to me that you're being sarcastic. Please disregard lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left. PS It has just occurred to me that you're being sarcastic. Please disregard lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with? Know your audience. I live in San Francisco. We're not voting for Trump. I feel perfectly fine discussing the merits and drawbacks of different Dem candidates with people around me. When you're up against a legitimate fascist threat? Close. Fucking. Ranks. There's no place for infighting when the margins are this close. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Until we get voting reform, the US presidential Election is a binary choice, one or the other. An endorsement is just that: supporting one candidate over the other (and obviously their policies come along with them). Doing it this way comes across as lukewarm support and isn't as helpful in getting people to vote for that candidate. Kamala Harris is an empathetic, intelligent person capable of introspection. Get her elected, then we can pressure her to reconsider certain policy positions... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If she's already elected then what reason does she have to listen to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... she's an empathetic, intelligent, introspective individual, who listens to experts, her advisors, and citizens. Not everyone needs to be manipulated to do the right thing... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are living in pure fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If she's already elected then what reason does she have to listen to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... she's an empathetic, intelligent, introspective individual, who listens to experts, her advisors, and citizens. Not everyone needs to be manipulated to do the right thing... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are living in pure fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... she's an empathetic, intelligent, introspective individual, who listens to experts, her advisors, and citizens. Not everyone needs to be manipulated to do the right thing... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are living in pure fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are living in pure fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope. Just actually paying attention! I invite you to consume a wide variety of news sources... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I invite you to do the same and to be skeptical of lofty claims that aren't evident in the behavior and stated policy of the politicians that you support. If they are going to do something that motivates you as a voter then they will run on it, not just sell you "good faith" and let you fill in the blanks with whatever ideal picture that paints for you. permalink fedilink source parent