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Costs for law enforcement and legal expenses would not need to be included if immigration was not illegal, so I don't see why they should be factored in.
Including American citizens in the cost of illegal immigrants is dishonest.
It is actually honest. You measure what is paid in versus paid out. Many immigrants come with children. Those people need education services immediately if they are to assimilate into the flow of productivity. They also take healthcare dollars. These are all legitimate costs. Law enforcement costs money and pulled away from normal operation. Immigrants need to be processed. Property owners pay taxes to have law enforcement to protect property. Again, all legitimate costs. But let us examine your logic, if migrants didn't generate net revenues positively in their country of origin, what makes you think they generate a net positive in the new host country? If they didn't generate a net positive for their country of origin, like a failed state like Venezuela, by which evidence do you use to determine they are indeed productive enough? Furthermore, why do municipalities like NYC have to cut services? Why do they have to evict migrants from shelters? The coordination and logistics of feeding them and find them shelter, getting them the proper healthcare, all at no cost to them. Resources are not unlimited and because of that, these new peoples drive up spending that has to be paid for by the native or local populations. If the federal government does not want to fulfill its immigration policy with federal dollars, offload the costs to local governments, what does that say about the scarcity of resources?
Left-wingers are correct that unfettered immigration boosts GDP, because it boosts total spending, even if it means most of it is by taxpayers paying for these new peoples. Using their logic, we should take in all the people in poverty in the world, and boost the GDP to astronomical levels by funding all of it.
I wasn't complaining about the inclusion of those children. I was complaining of the inclusion of children of immigrants born in the US which constitutionally makes them American citizens.
Which is a choice we make. It is not inherent to immigration. For half the existence of this country we spent zero on regulating immigration.
Failure of productivity results from a corrupt and inefficient government in places like Venezuela. It has little to do with the capability of people. Go to any construction site or kitchen in the US and you will find them staffed with mostly immigrants. Labor created value and anyone can do labor if managed effectively.
Because they don't have sufficient funds to do so which could easily be fixed if xenophobes in government didn't block taking action.
Correct. Labor is the most valuable natural resource on Earth.
I said spending is an aggregate measure of GDP. You can't even debate honestly and imply you are honest by saying other people are dishonest. It is best you are covered with a veil and blocked. Labor itself isn't value. Value is the end product. Every country has labor. The productivity of that labor is not equal. This is what leftist don't understand about the price of labor; it is not due to the labor itself, but the value that comes out the other end. This is why labor is unequal... and why your statement is nonsensical. No point in debating somebody in economics when they don't know how an economy works. I am not going to waste my time, when blocking is much more efficient.