▲ 198 ▼ Russia is signaling it could take out the West's internet and GPS. There's no good backup plan. (www.businessinsider.com) submitted 2 years ago by Alteon@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 111 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 98 points 2 years ago (1 child) suuure, they couldn't even take out ukraines communication systems permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) Cutting a couple undersea fiber cables and completely fucking the whole internet is very easy. Humanity has so far just kinda silently agreed to not fuck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sure, but welcome to 2024, where we have mirrors and cdns and the cloud with distributed everything. Not saying disconnecting the americas from eurasia wouldn't be a big deal, but the internet would keep working. Elon would be very happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im curious… how much undersea cable traffic could Starlink handle? I know the sat-sat laser links are just coming online now, what if every sat had them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not sure, though most would go other existing high-speed satellite trunks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kungen@feddit.nu 6 points 2 years ago And otherwise, you can't eliminate the possibility of local sabotage as well. Most of the important networking information in Sweden was leaked due to our "open information" laws. It's not like Russia can make it some long-term problem, but being an annoyance and making chaos is their goal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe the local internet would keep working but the countries wouldnt. Lots of stuff stops working without central web authorities and all international trade and payment systems would collapse. It would be a massive catastrophe. But its probably quite hard to take out everything at once before the militaries of the world would start paying special attention to those cables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah last time I saw a map of the internet cables it looked like there was quite a lot of redundancy so I'm not convinced they could pull it off fully to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eyeon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) would Americans even consider that taking down the internet? It wouldn't impact a US client talking to a US server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Thats not how things on the internet work. It would mostly certainly cause many issues for everyone everywhere. Basic functionality might stay working but not everything has a local copy in the US. We depend on things and people from all over the world to keep things running. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) Cutting a couple undersea fiber cables and completely fucking the whole internet is very easy. Humanity has so far just kinda silently agreed to not fuck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sure, but welcome to 2024, where we have mirrors and cdns and the cloud with distributed everything. Not saying disconnecting the americas from eurasia wouldn't be a big deal, but the internet would keep working. Elon would be very happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im curious… how much undersea cable traffic could Starlink handle? I know the sat-sat laser links are just coming online now, what if every sat had them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not sure, though most would go other existing high-speed satellite trunks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kungen@feddit.nu 6 points 2 years ago And otherwise, you can't eliminate the possibility of local sabotage as well. Most of the important networking information in Sweden was leaked due to our "open information" laws. It's not like Russia can make it some long-term problem, but being an annoyance and making chaos is their goal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe the local internet would keep working but the countries wouldnt. Lots of stuff stops working without central web authorities and all international trade and payment systems would collapse. It would be a massive catastrophe. But its probably quite hard to take out everything at once before the militaries of the world would start paying special attention to those cables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah last time I saw a map of the internet cables it looked like there was quite a lot of redundancy so I'm not convinced they could pull it off fully to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eyeon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) would Americans even consider that taking down the internet? It wouldn't impact a US client talking to a US server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Thats not how things on the internet work. It would mostly certainly cause many issues for everyone everywhere. Basic functionality might stay working but not everything has a local copy in the US. We depend on things and people from all over the world to keep things running. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sure, but welcome to 2024, where we have mirrors and cdns and the cloud with distributed everything. Not saying disconnecting the americas from eurasia wouldn't be a big deal, but the internet would keep working. Elon would be very happy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im curious… how much undersea cable traffic could Starlink handle? I know the sat-sat laser links are just coming online now, what if every sat had them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not sure, though most would go other existing high-speed satellite trunks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kungen@feddit.nu 6 points 2 years ago And otherwise, you can't eliminate the possibility of local sabotage as well. Most of the important networking information in Sweden was leaked due to our "open information" laws. It's not like Russia can make it some long-term problem, but being an annoyance and making chaos is their goal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe the local internet would keep working but the countries wouldnt. Lots of stuff stops working without central web authorities and all international trade and payment systems would collapse. It would be a massive catastrophe. But its probably quite hard to take out everything at once before the militaries of the world would start paying special attention to those cables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah last time I saw a map of the internet cables it looked like there was quite a lot of redundancy so I'm not convinced they could pull it off fully to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im curious… how much undersea cable traffic could Starlink handle? I know the sat-sat laser links are just coming online now, what if every sat had them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not sure, though most would go other existing high-speed satellite trunks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not sure, though most would go other existing high-speed satellite trunks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kungen@feddit.nu 6 points 2 years ago And otherwise, you can't eliminate the possibility of local sabotage as well. Most of the important networking information in Sweden was leaked due to our "open information" laws. It's not like Russia can make it some long-term problem, but being an annoyance and making chaos is their goal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe the local internet would keep working but the countries wouldnt. Lots of stuff stops working without central web authorities and all international trade and payment systems would collapse. It would be a massive catastrophe. But its probably quite hard to take out everything at once before the militaries of the world would start paying special attention to those cables. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah last time I saw a map of the internet cables it looked like there was quite a lot of redundancy so I'm not convinced they could pull it off fully to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah last time I saw a map of the internet cables it looked like there was quite a lot of redundancy so I'm not convinced they could pull it off fully to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eyeon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) would Americans even consider that taking down the internet? It wouldn't impact a US client talking to a US server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Thats not how things on the internet work. It would mostly certainly cause many issues for everyone everywhere. Basic functionality might stay working but not everything has a local copy in the US. We depend on things and people from all over the world to keep things running. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Thats not how things on the internet work. It would mostly certainly cause many issues for everyone everywhere. Basic functionality might stay working but not everything has a local copy in the US. We depend on things and people from all over the world to keep things running. permalink fedilink source parent