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I find it bizarre that you think one can be a traitor to one's class. Please tell me, how is a class something which can even be owed allegiance?
Billionaires want all the money, fuck everyone else. Siding with billionaires means you want to be fucked over by someone who has no care for you. So siding with them makes you a traitor. There’s no allegiance to a class it’s just something that is, I find it bizarre that you assume that you can’t comprehend this.
This seems very naive to me. In my experience, everyone wants all the money, fuck everyone else. Including my fellow working class. All of them. Every single one.
I see no sides. I see no difference in kind between billionaires, my boss, my co-workers, my neighbours, homeless people, members of the local labour club, you, me or anyone. We're all human beings and we all prioritise our own wellbeing over the wellbeing of others. Cooperation in society and ruthless greed are not mutually exclusive. Humans will cooperate when it's beneficial and also stab their fellow humans in the back, step on them and exploit them when it's beneficial.
That's ridiculous, nobody wants that.
If is there is no allegiance then there can be no traitor.
You are quite wrong. Most want enough money to be content in life. Billionaires want to sit on their dragon hoard of wealth, while shafting those on the bottom line. If you see no sides then you are very ignorant. And no difference between the homeless and billionaires. Yeah fucking right. Billionaires get to just buy companies because they can, spend shit loads on lobbying for things they want. All while homeless people are fucked in a hundred ways. Its disgusting how many anti-homeless measures are being made. Just another reason hoarding wealth fucks everyone over. Humans also rape, lie, steal, murder, etc… we work hard to jail and rehabilitate these people. So maybe we need to do it to the extremely wealth. Nobody wants to be fucked over, obviously. But that is what is happening. Again ignorance is bliss. Generations don’t exist, we just use it to generalize age groups. Classes don’t exist, yet we use them to describe wealth groups. Genders don’t exist, yet we use them to describe people. In every single case you can still be a traitor to something that groups you. I can be trans and say that all trans people (except me) are not valid, that would make me a traitor and a TERF. There are not always allegiances to ideas meant to group people. If you are not in the extremely wealthy class, then defending them is betraying what you are.
Having wealth and hoarding wealth aren't the same thing. Hoarding implies isolation and withheld access. Someone keeping money under their mattress is hoarding that money. Someone who is investing in businesses in active operation within the economy is doing the exact opposite of hoarding.
Stop misusing this term.
There’s only a few ways to become a billionaire. Get money, get more money, and get even more money. Also be born into a family with lots of money. Just because some of that money is in assets, bonds, stocks, and such doesn’t mean that they don’t hoard the wealth. Investing in businesses only makes the stock holders richer it doesn’t trickle down. You don’t have to just shove it into a bank. The extremely wealthy don’t hoard money in a big pile, they just want to see their net worth go up. So I’m not misusing the term hoarding, you just seem to not understand how the economy works.
Typically by creating something extremely popular, which in turn becomes valued at much more than it cost you to create it.
Minecraft, for example, made its creator $2 billion when he sold it to Microsoft.
Not really; statistically, 70% of generational wealth is gone by the second generation, 90% by the third. Inheritors, generally speaking, spend what they inherit, they don't hold onto it for the next generation to inherit it again. Again, opposite of hoarding.
Just because some of that money is in assets, bonds, stocks, and such doesn’t mean that they don’t hoard the wealth.
Yes, it does. The only way to hoard money is to not spend it. No billionaire has a Scrooge McDuck vault full of cash. Billionaires don't hoard--ironically, hoarding money will only ever decrease your net worth, unless your currency is in deflation, in which case you've got bigger problems.
You're acting like businesses exist in some separate reality from the rest of the population. The businesses profit by offering goods and services that the market wants. That is what makes the share price go up, and in turn makes stock holders wealthier. Buying shares all by itself doesn't do shit.
'Stockholders get wealthier when the business is having a positive impact on the economy by giving the market something it wants' isn't exactly the argument you think it is.
And spending (already-taxed) money to buy stuff that then proceeds to become more valuable, is not an act that deprives anyone else's wallet of a single penny.
You really don’t understand what I was saying do you. This is boring, I’m tired of listening to an echo chamber of shit ideas.
lol
I disagree.
All, including billionaires, want to ensure the survival of their genes. Wealth is sexually attractive. At no point does more wealth stop being attractive. So everyone wants as much money as they can get. That doesn't mean they're necessarily prepared to do what's required to get it (murder, exploitation, etc.) but they want the money.
I didn't say no difference, I said no difference in kind.
Indeed.
I disagree.
That's ridiculous. If a person defends the extremely wealthy honestly then that isn't betraying what they are, that is what they are.
I’m tired of your ignorance, maybe try reading a book or using critical thinking. Otherwise you’ll just stay a sad, ignorant person sucking billionaire dick and getting nothing in return but bing fucked over.
ROFL
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
It’s a quote from a book. Like I said maybe you should read some books.
I see you're really an expert at that there critical thinking and never jump to conclusions.
Responds with a gif, want’s critical thinking. Not to mention a gif that could be interpreted several ways. Maybe use words to avoid ambiguity.
LOL I don't want anything from you.
For a critical thinker, dealing with a stimulus that is open to interpretation should be no problem.
Maybe apply critical thinking in your life. Every day. Every moment. Rather than just talking about it.
Why are you still yapping? I stopped caring about what you say so long ago. Its quite pointless continuing.