I think we have differing definitions of the word “championing”.

No, we don't. You're trying to pretend we do, to get out of having said something utterly silly.

It's far sillier to try those sort of semantical shenanigans than just admitting to having said something silly in the first place.

And America has been pushing for these ideals

You had segregation just 60 years ago, you still don't have limitless sickleave or even mandatory maternity leave. You have homeless people — who actually have jobs — shitting on the streets and dying from completely treatable things like infections, because they can't afford the insane prices of healthcare. Education is more or less a joke, you're literally burning books.

America has been actively suppressing socialist policies (and complete governments). That's a fact. Not an argument. Not an opinion. And definitely not up to semantics.

Like I’m often the defender of the American socialist tradition both on Lemmy and over in America, but I wouldn’t call it a foundation. We have deep socialist roots for sure, but they’re concessions and arguments. It’s the foundational conflict of our nation: a slave empire built on the idea that all men are created equal. It resulted in a breeding ground for anarchists and fascists.

Those concessions are important and they led to a lot of prosperity, but don’t forget that by the 50s we had McCarthy. We should’ve toppled it and showed the ussr what communism can be

You don't understand what a strawman argument is.

ESL? No, that's "English as a second language". Mine is technically third. My English is better than 60% native speakers (a large 60min test by a professional). And that counts countries which aren't on the level of developing nations when it comes to literacy figures

America is attempting to erode a woman’s right to vote.

America has been championing socialist policies for 100 years.

So which one do you believe in this one?

It's quite hilarious how often I end up teaching Americans English. While this is my third language, I'm fairly sure I've used it longer, more and in more academic contexts than you have. That's why I don't make up meanings for words when someone proves me wrong.

champion verb

vigorously support or defend the cause of.

"he championed the rights of the working class and the poor"

Once I answered your arse-ignorant "well when did your country" bullshit you got shaken and started shifting your asinine goalposts. The US has never CHAMPIONED socialist policies, let alone even using them. Still don't.

It's incredibly ironic how you think saying "you got the wrong definition" will work, and how "other commentors can see". Yes, they can. They will be able to even check the definition (which I've linked btw, but you ofc haven't, as your definition of the word is made up) and see that "champion" doesn't exactly mean what you pretend it does. :)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champion

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/champion

Even if you forgo the most used definitions, and try to find a niche one that's even remotely similar to how you're using it...? Nah. The closest ones still will have at least "enthusiastic" in them. The way you use it to say "America has been championing socialist policy for 100 years" is incorrect.

America has been actively suppressing socialist policies, socialist movements and even socialist countries. These are facts.

So I don't know what "English" you're using, but here in the real world "champion" doesn't mean "actively fighting against".

"Mr. Fin"

See you can't even write Finn, which is the demonym for a Finnish person. You use the noun which means a literal fin. Like those things fish have. :D

"championing socialist policy"

If it wasn't so worrying that people like you exist, it'd be kinda hilarious.

I mean when was Social Security setup in your country?

So nothing I showed matters, the Red Scare doesn't matter, the current situation doesn't matter, you ignore (willfully) literally everything that proves your sentence to be insanely inaccurate and very ironic.

Most actual paying social security systems started right around WWII. Do you think your "championed for a century" will be correct with the first US social security starting in 1940?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Finland

In the last years of the nineteenth century, Finnish social policy had as its goal the lessening of class friction. The few existing pieces of social legislation addressed the needs of specific groups rather than of society as a whole.

According to the Finnish sociologist Erik Allardt, the hallmark of the Nordic welfare systems is their comprehensiveness. Unlike the welfare systems of the United States or most West European countries, those of the Nordic countries cover the entire population, and they are not limited to those groups unable to care for themselves.

We don't have people (who are employed even) shitting on the streets. We have guaranteed maternity leaves, limitless sick days.

Just how brainwashed or ignorant does one need to be to say the US was more a "champion of socialist policies" than the Nordics...?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_suffrage#:~:text=In%201906%2C%20the%20autonomous%20Grand,women%20the%20right%20to%20vote.

In 1906, the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland, which later became the Republic of Finland, was the first country in the world to give all women and all men both the right to vote and the right to run for office. Finland was also the first country in Europe to give women the right to vote.[5][6] The world's first female members of parliament were elected in Finland the following year.

You still had segregation less than 61 years ago. And still don't have the labour laws that are considered utterly basic in most developed nations.

I do understand the ideological war fought in America, because I exist on the internet and a significant portion of it deals with US politics.

The only reason we're speaking English now is because you only know English. Ie I know more than you and are accommodating your level of knowledge and trying to get you to improve it.