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I'm tired, boss (slrpnk.net)
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[–] 139 points 2 years ago (26 children)

Oh so baity!

You can remove "western democracy" there I guess.

Also nah, I can speak out against my boss, my eventual landlord and protest in the streets, because I live in France, a western democracy.

YMMW.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I bet OP hasn't actually done any of the things they listed. Reads like an edgy teenager.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    And yet most of the political forces in France are advocating to remove all these rights. Sindicalists are arrested under terrorist laws, as are eco-activists. And maires trying to enforce price ceiling for lawns in cities are considered like Staline.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Sure and that is bad.

    What does it have to do with the discussion though? Or is it "west bad" whatever happens?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So as long as the litteral nazis are not in charge genociding people it's fine and there's nothing to worry about? Syndicalistes and ecoactivists being arrested for terrorism is fine already?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So "west bad" it is then.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I mean if the above things are what defines the west then yeah. But I don't think they do, or at least they don't have to - I believe we stand for better things than that - for liberty, for democracy and welfare of all and I believe in progress, not complacency and decay thinly veiled by whataboutism.

    EDIT: The user above clearly manipulated vote counts. All his comments get an extra 8-12 upvotes, everything that disagrees with him has an extra 8-12 downvotes. Blocked and reported.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    And I can do all this in America. Mind you I work somewhere that struggles to keep people and more selective jobs do pull this shit, same with my landlord. And yeah protesting does often go that way if you’re left wing

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Doesn't matter whether you consider the US a western democracy, they consider themselves one and what OOP says is that that can't possibly be right for the reasons following. It seems you are in agreement after all.

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  • [+] -20 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    eventual landlord

    So you're a child? Lol good luck speaking out against a landlord, don't you know it's like a job interview nowadays with references from past landlords and all?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    That is completely dependent on country and who you try to rent from. In Norway the most I ever had to do is consent to an automatic check to prove I don't have any reports of not paying bills.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You ever rent from a private landlord, instead of letting agency?

    I'm Finnish, and what you say has been true for me — aside from when my credit got fucked (due to some semiauthoritarian bullshit), when I had to rent from a private landlord.

    That was more or less exactly how the earlier commenter describes it; an interview. Luckily I was just over 20 and out of the army as an NCO, so the old couple were really into that and gave me the apartment.

    I also used to believe our cops weren't that bad. Until I was detained and saw how they act behind closed doors.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I've only rented from companies as it's generally safer and you know that they will (most likely) follow the law.

    You never know what you get when you rent from people, their professionality and knowledge of the various laws are highly variable. You could get lucky, and you could get very unlucky.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Problem is private dodgy blokes is the only way some people can afford to rent out alone at all, that it be forced like rats into some houseshare dump. Coming from someone who does the same thing you do for the same reasons.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In France you need to earn 3 times the price of the lawn, and you need warrants (garants) : people who will be forced to pay if you ever don't. To prove you can pay, you need 3 months of salary sheets. You need to prove your job is not a CDD (short determined time). You need to show insurances and prove your identity too of course. Half of those are not legal, but landlords don't care because you're in competition : you visit the apartment with a dozen of other people who want a place to sleep too. And the landlord will choose the chosen one as he pleases.

    It depends on the place, but Lyon is absolute madness to find an apartment.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I own my appartement but I have rented over 20 different ones before that.

    No need to namecall just because you don't understand 😊

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Oh ok so you haven't rented in the current market. So actually it's you who doesn't understand eh?

    Idk what you meant in that case by "eventual landlord", maybe try actually making sense first and then maybe you won't get name-called as much. 😊

    From what I can tell, France still has essentially no-fault evictions and nowhere near sufficient renter protections, while there is a housing crisis going on. It's not anywhere near as bad as the UK, but given the regulations as I can see them, I wouldn't risk speaking out against the landlord in any capacity there either. This doesn't even touch the fact that France is also fairly centralised, in that job opportunities are richer closer to the city and the bigger the city, and Paris is even worse for living expenses overall than London.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is totally right. I'm french. Laws protect renters, but not that much, and landlords don't hesitate to threaten with false pretense. And if you mention anything illegal they're doing, you simply won't have the apartment. They ask documents they have no right to see, but if you don't provide them they won't even look at your application. Obviously people of colour do have a harder time finding an apartment, but even for engineers it's hard to find one in a city.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    lol ever heard of renter's rights? it's incredibly fucking difficult to kick out a renter here in sweden, they have to repeatedly be a massive nuisance to everyone around.

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