β² 300 βΌ Satire/sarcasm doesn't always work cross-culturally (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/justpost@lemmy.world 135 comments fedilink hide all child comments No joke here. I just think stuff like this is interesting.
[β] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 198 points 2 years ago (9 children) Oh yes, Americans really are the most sarcastic people on the planet and their humor is oh so dark. Sincerely, βA Brit. permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (1 child) We are. Itβs what happens when you take dry British humor, concentrate it like a cup of tea run in the microwave until almost all of the water evaporates out and add daily mortal risk from our fellow countrymen. -A βMurica permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wondered why your name struck me as familiar. Which order is your favorite and why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Truthwatchers would be my first choice because I like to understand the true nature of things, to create new things, and that power should be wielded carefully and with proper intention. I think Dustbringers fits my tinkerer and strong feelings about the concept that those with greater power need to exercise greater control. You? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think that Elsecallers are my favorite. I love Jasnah and it seems to be all about self improvement, growth mindset and gaining wisdom. I'm not sure what my second favorite would be. Windrunners are pretty cool, tough choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is. Iβm re-reading the Stormlight archive now in anticipation of the next book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent [β] CluckN@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago Oi turn on the telly, the man is doinβ a silly walk! permalink fedilink source parent [β] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dutch humor and jokes are pretty dark, as are half of the swear words. probably from living next to the Germans. But hey, most of the jokes these days are still about Belgians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Podunk@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Half my family is dutch and many of my friends are full blooded, right off the boat dutch. Dutch humor can be so blunt and expertly delivered that it can literally cut you to the core if you arent accustomed. The only way i can describe it is if you have ever eaten dutch liquorice. Try a piece of dubbel zoute drop and you will understand everything you need to know about the dutch. But lets give some credit to the hispanics though. Mexican humor, especially with their nicknames, can be exceptionally ruthless as well. Their directness and humor has absolutely got to be on par with the best of the swamp germans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Kinda funny when you consider the good relations that the Dutch and Japanese had for a long time. Maybe Dutch humour changed? permalink fedilink source parent [β] pixelscript@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) One of my Dutch friends explained to me that many of Dutch's darker swear words and related expressions tend to be derived from ruinous diseases. One of them roughly translating to something akin to, "I hope you catch the plague". Can you corroborate that? It was part of a greater discussion about the roots of cultural differences. The Netherlands have a much more persistent memory of the era of plague and thus their taboos derive from it. Here in the US, less so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And tuberculosis is also a popular one over there. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Hagdos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's true. Cancer (kanker) is a very common swear word, as is kankerlijer (someone who suffers from cancer) as insult permalink fedilink source parent [β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago We curse with pus (etter), tbc (tering), cholera (kolere), plague (pest) and more recently cancer (kanker). Although that often hits a bit too close home for some people. There's more that I'm forgetting right now. I have heard people describe something bad as being AIDS. So new ones are actually being added. One of the theories is that it came from Yiddish where diseases are also used as curses. Another popular theory is that because the Dutch population isn't very religious we switched to diseases because that's whst we feared in stead of God. The truth lays probably somewhere in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent [β] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I m french and I trough that we were the most sarcastic. I think it really depend of the language that you understand the most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] copd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Clearly not if you failed to notice the sarcasm from my fellow brit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Did they? The Brit's comment was about whether Americans or Brits are most sarcastic. The French guy alleges that it's neither. permalink fedilink source parent [β] gibmiser@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You guys just got too good at it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago We learned from the best. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I'm neither British nor American, and whole-heartedly agree. Stephen Fry on the difference between American and British comedy Also made me think of a few of Mitchell & Webb's skits. Like Kill all the poor permalink fedilink source parent [β] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago OOP said people, so the British don't count. permalink fedilink source parent [β] UnityDevice@startrek.website 1 point 2 years ago Well Matthew Perry did invent sarcasm, so it tracks. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (1 child) We are. Itβs what happens when you take dry British humor, concentrate it like a cup of tea run in the microwave until almost all of the water evaporates out and add daily mortal risk from our fellow countrymen. -A βMurica permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wondered why your name struck me as familiar. Which order is your favorite and why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Truthwatchers would be my first choice because I like to understand the true nature of things, to create new things, and that power should be wielded carefully and with proper intention. I think Dustbringers fits my tinkerer and strong feelings about the concept that those with greater power need to exercise greater control. You? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think that Elsecallers are my favorite. I love Jasnah and it seems to be all about self improvement, growth mindset and gaining wisdom. I'm not sure what my second favorite would be. Windrunners are pretty cool, tough choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is. Iβm re-reading the Stormlight archive now in anticipation of the next book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wondered why your name struck me as familiar. Which order is your favorite and why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Truthwatchers would be my first choice because I like to understand the true nature of things, to create new things, and that power should be wielded carefully and with proper intention. I think Dustbringers fits my tinkerer and strong feelings about the concept that those with greater power need to exercise greater control. You? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think that Elsecallers are my favorite. I love Jasnah and it seems to be all about self improvement, growth mindset and gaining wisdom. I'm not sure what my second favorite would be. Windrunners are pretty cool, tough choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is. Iβm re-reading the Stormlight archive now in anticipation of the next book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Truthwatchers would be my first choice because I like to understand the true nature of things, to create new things, and that power should be wielded carefully and with proper intention. I think Dustbringers fits my tinkerer and strong feelings about the concept that those with greater power need to exercise greater control. You? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think that Elsecallers are my favorite. I love Jasnah and it seems to be all about self improvement, growth mindset and gaining wisdom. I'm not sure what my second favorite would be. Windrunners are pretty cool, tough choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is. Iβm re-reading the Stormlight archive now in anticipation of the next book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think that Elsecallers are my favorite. I love Jasnah and it seems to be all about self improvement, growth mindset and gaining wisdom. I'm not sure what my second favorite would be. Windrunners are pretty cool, tough choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is. Iβm re-reading the Stormlight archive now in anticipation of the next book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is. Iβm re-reading the Stormlight archive now in anticipation of the next book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I got into the series very late, like SA: 4 was out - so I'm still catching up through all of his previous works. I just finished Mistborn era 1 (I think, I don't know where era 2 starts but I'm assuming it's post-Harmony). There's just something about Stormlight Archives though, it tickles me in a way Mistborn has not (not to say I disliked them, I just fucking love Kaladin). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, era 2 is 300 or so years later. It has a lighter tone than the first era. Not that it canβt be heavy. Itβs funny reading statements by Harmony in Stormlight and thinking βha! I know who that isβ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CluckN@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago Oi turn on the telly, the man is doinβ a silly walk! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dutch humor and jokes are pretty dark, as are half of the swear words. probably from living next to the Germans. But hey, most of the jokes these days are still about Belgians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Podunk@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Half my family is dutch and many of my friends are full blooded, right off the boat dutch. Dutch humor can be so blunt and expertly delivered that it can literally cut you to the core if you arent accustomed. The only way i can describe it is if you have ever eaten dutch liquorice. Try a piece of dubbel zoute drop and you will understand everything you need to know about the dutch. But lets give some credit to the hispanics though. Mexican humor, especially with their nicknames, can be exceptionally ruthless as well. Their directness and humor has absolutely got to be on par with the best of the swamp germans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Kinda funny when you consider the good relations that the Dutch and Japanese had for a long time. Maybe Dutch humour changed? permalink fedilink source parent [β] pixelscript@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) One of my Dutch friends explained to me that many of Dutch's darker swear words and related expressions tend to be derived from ruinous diseases. One of them roughly translating to something akin to, "I hope you catch the plague". Can you corroborate that? It was part of a greater discussion about the roots of cultural differences. The Netherlands have a much more persistent memory of the era of plague and thus their taboos derive from it. Here in the US, less so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And tuberculosis is also a popular one over there. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Hagdos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's true. Cancer (kanker) is a very common swear word, as is kankerlijer (someone who suffers from cancer) as insult permalink fedilink source parent [β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago We curse with pus (etter), tbc (tering), cholera (kolere), plague (pest) and more recently cancer (kanker). Although that often hits a bit too close home for some people. There's more that I'm forgetting right now. I have heard people describe something bad as being AIDS. So new ones are actually being added. One of the theories is that it came from Yiddish where diseases are also used as curses. Another popular theory is that because the Dutch population isn't very religious we switched to diseases because that's whst we feared in stead of God. The truth lays probably somewhere in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Podunk@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Half my family is dutch and many of my friends are full blooded, right off the boat dutch. Dutch humor can be so blunt and expertly delivered that it can literally cut you to the core if you arent accustomed. The only way i can describe it is if you have ever eaten dutch liquorice. Try a piece of dubbel zoute drop and you will understand everything you need to know about the dutch. But lets give some credit to the hispanics though. Mexican humor, especially with their nicknames, can be exceptionally ruthless as well. Their directness and humor has absolutely got to be on par with the best of the swamp germans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Kinda funny when you consider the good relations that the Dutch and Japanese had for a long time. Maybe Dutch humour changed? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Kinda funny when you consider the good relations that the Dutch and Japanese had for a long time. Maybe Dutch humour changed? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pixelscript@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) One of my Dutch friends explained to me that many of Dutch's darker swear words and related expressions tend to be derived from ruinous diseases. One of them roughly translating to something akin to, "I hope you catch the plague". Can you corroborate that? It was part of a greater discussion about the roots of cultural differences. The Netherlands have a much more persistent memory of the era of plague and thus their taboos derive from it. Here in the US, less so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And tuberculosis is also a popular one over there. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Hagdos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's true. Cancer (kanker) is a very common swear word, as is kankerlijer (someone who suffers from cancer) as insult permalink fedilink source parent [β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago We curse with pus (etter), tbc (tering), cholera (kolere), plague (pest) and more recently cancer (kanker). Although that often hits a bit too close home for some people. There's more that I'm forgetting right now. I have heard people describe something bad as being AIDS. So new ones are actually being added. One of the theories is that it came from Yiddish where diseases are also used as curses. Another popular theory is that because the Dutch population isn't very religious we switched to diseases because that's whst we feared in stead of God. The truth lays probably somewhere in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago And tuberculosis is also a popular one over there. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Hagdos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It's true. Cancer (kanker) is a very common swear word, as is kankerlijer (someone who suffers from cancer) as insult permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago We curse with pus (etter), tbc (tering), cholera (kolere), plague (pest) and more recently cancer (kanker). Although that often hits a bit too close home for some people. There's more that I'm forgetting right now. I have heard people describe something bad as being AIDS. So new ones are actually being added. One of the theories is that it came from Yiddish where diseases are also used as curses. Another popular theory is that because the Dutch population isn't very religious we switched to diseases because that's whst we feared in stead of God. The truth lays probably somewhere in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I m french and I trough that we were the most sarcastic. I think it really depend of the language that you understand the most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] copd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Clearly not if you failed to notice the sarcasm from my fellow brit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Did they? The Brit's comment was about whether Americans or Brits are most sarcastic. The French guy alleges that it's neither. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] copd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Clearly not if you failed to notice the sarcasm from my fellow brit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Did they? The Brit's comment was about whether Americans or Brits are most sarcastic. The French guy alleges that it's neither. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Did they? The Brit's comment was about whether Americans or Brits are most sarcastic. The French guy alleges that it's neither. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gibmiser@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You guys just got too good at it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago We learned from the best. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I'm neither British nor American, and whole-heartedly agree. Stephen Fry on the difference between American and British comedy Also made me think of a few of Mitchell & Webb's skits. Like Kill all the poor permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago OOP said people, so the British don't count. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] UnityDevice@startrek.website 1 point 2 years ago Well Matthew Perry did invent sarcasm, so it tracks. permalink fedilink source parent