▲ 772 ▼ Algerian Imane Khelif wins boxing gold medal after her gender was wrongly questioned (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 333 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 years ago (2 children) Except even if they had regulations it would not have changed anything since she is a ciswoman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Imagine a corrupt state really wants gold. Why wouldn't they register a whole batch of males as female (or duplicate register as both sexes) wait 20 years then clean up the women's events? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) so, the heart of your argument itself is sexist. Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. Athletes at this level are insanely talented and fit. Some are even genetic anomalies, which explain why they can be so good at their sport. Simone biles is really small, which is why she's so good at flipping. A female boxer at this level would decimate a male boxer who isn't genetically selected for and who hasn't trained his whole life to get to that level. Being male doesn't make one good at sports. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, requiring several hundred people to be the athletes who might be good enough to go to the event, boatloads of money to train them, and even then, they might get one through the event if the athlete isn't injured. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage. Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete's knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? Why? You should ask cold war Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform. However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism. Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle. National pride and unity. International prestige. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think they would achieve in any practical way by winning a bunch of gold medals? It's the Olympics, not trade negotiations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found that statistic on Bing. You can too. I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What the the absolute fuck are you talking about? This is some deranged paranoid nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Search the soviet unions athletic history for examples. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Irrational_exuberance@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) We should expect Rules and regulations regarding a cis woman. The Olympic committee should either allow them as is or lay out specific rules. Decisions cannot be adhoc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) You realize that she's a cis woman, right? Right? Or did you take the word from people on YouTube who talk about everything in a certain way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago It's so fucking ridiculous to me that people are suggesting fucking Algeria has a trans athlete. Where next, Saudi Arabia? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago They have a specific rule: if your birth certificate and passport say you're a woman, you get to compete as one. What rule do you think they should be using? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Imagine a corrupt state really wants gold. Why wouldn't they register a whole batch of males as female (or duplicate register as both sexes) wait 20 years then clean up the women's events? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) so, the heart of your argument itself is sexist. Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. Athletes at this level are insanely talented and fit. Some are even genetic anomalies, which explain why they can be so good at their sport. Simone biles is really small, which is why she's so good at flipping. A female boxer at this level would decimate a male boxer who isn't genetically selected for and who hasn't trained his whole life to get to that level. Being male doesn't make one good at sports. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, requiring several hundred people to be the athletes who might be good enough to go to the event, boatloads of money to train them, and even then, they might get one through the event if the athlete isn't injured. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage. Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete's knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? Why? You should ask cold war Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform. However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism. Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle. National pride and unity. International prestige. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think they would achieve in any practical way by winning a bunch of gold medals? It's the Olympics, not trade negotiations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found that statistic on Bing. You can too. I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What the the absolute fuck are you talking about? This is some deranged paranoid nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Search the soviet unions athletic history for examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) so, the heart of your argument itself is sexist. Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. Athletes at this level are insanely talented and fit. Some are even genetic anomalies, which explain why they can be so good at their sport. Simone biles is really small, which is why she's so good at flipping. A female boxer at this level would decimate a male boxer who isn't genetically selected for and who hasn't trained his whole life to get to that level. Being male doesn't make one good at sports. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, requiring several hundred people to be the athletes who might be good enough to go to the event, boatloads of money to train them, and even then, they might get one through the event if the athlete isn't injured. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage. Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete's knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? Why? You should ask cold war Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform. However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism. Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle. National pride and unity. International prestige. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Your argument is, basically, that a man is better than a woman at sports, just because he's a man. No. Women should always have the option to compete against men, (and prove they are better), if they chose to. But just look at world records if you need concrete proof that males have an advantage. Many sports there is no physical advantage and some (e.g. climbing) women have the advantage. On the scale youre talking about, the government would be complicit in widescale corruption to rig a single event in an event where there's no money involved for the winner, Not a single event, this could be done for multiple events, even without the athlete's knowledge. For the first decade only a few record keepers need to be in the conspiracy. All for what reward? A single relatively worthless gold medal? Why? You should ask cold war Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform. However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism. Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle. National pride and unity. International prestige. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) What exactly do you think the Soviet Union achieved by winning a bunch of medals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform. However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism. Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle. National pride and unity. International prestige. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The person you are responding seems uninformed on the topic of Imane and in spreading misinform. However, Russia does have a sordid history messing with international sports. Look up all the scandals in figure skating and also last year Olympics. I'm not sure why they do it. I think it has to do with projecting power on the world stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm steering clear of the topic of Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No you aren't. You're arguing about trans women athletes competing in the Olympics against cis women in a thread specifically about Imane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing about the classification rules of the Olympic committee because the current rules are not sufficiently clear and have caused needless distress to at least two gold medal winners. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, the rules are very clear. It's just right wing nutcases making up shit just to stir up trouble. The rules are there, and they've been in place long before this particular Olympic event. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "The gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport" These definitions are not medically certified nor standardised across countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago So what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Propaganda and ideological superiority of communism. Cold war rivalry. Proxy battle. National pride and unity. International prestige. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So nothing important then. Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Algeria is just desperate for international prestige. It will definitely do something or other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you've definitely come up with a plausible reason why a Muslim country would be okay with a transgender athlete. Have I? Strange. I wasn't asked that question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I love how your whole conversation here is like "I'm not saying Khelif isn't a woman and shouldn't compete, but someone who is a person who boxes women that I have not named, but have decided is not a woman, should not compete with women. But I'm not saying it's Khelif." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My point is to reduce future similar incidents. Not discuss any specific case. As it is, this discussion is doomed to be repeated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think they would achieve in any practical way by winning a bunch of gold medals? It's the Olympics, not trade negotiations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found that statistic on Bing. You can too. I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's estimated that the value of a gold medal is around $1 million in terms of economic impact, considering factors like increased tourism, sponsorship, and national pride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found that statistic on Bing. You can too. I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's a pathetically tiny amount of capital for a state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You are asking about the total benefits of sending athletes to the Olympics, not the statistical weighing of gold medals in a regression model. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Please do provide actual evidence for that claim. Specifically for a gold medal in women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found that statistic on Bing. You can too. I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found that statistic on Bing. You can too. I'm not specifically discussing women's boxing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, you can find all kinds of fake statistics on Bing. That's how the internet works. Let's see the source of yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] i_have_some_fries@endlesstalk.org 0 points 2 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What the the absolute fuck are you talking about? This is some deranged paranoid nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Search the soviet unions athletic history for examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Search the soviet unions athletic history for examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Irrational_exuberance@lemmy.world -25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) We should expect Rules and regulations regarding a cis woman. The Olympic committee should either allow them as is or lay out specific rules. Decisions cannot be adhoc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) You realize that she's a cis woman, right? Right? Or did you take the word from people on YouTube who talk about everything in a certain way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago It's so fucking ridiculous to me that people are suggesting fucking Algeria has a trans athlete. Where next, Saudi Arabia? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago They have a specific rule: if your birth certificate and passport say you're a woman, you get to compete as one. What rule do you think they should be using? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) You realize that she's a cis woman, right? Right? Or did you take the word from people on YouTube who talk about everything in a certain way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago It's so fucking ridiculous to me that people are suggesting fucking Algeria has a trans athlete. Where next, Saudi Arabia? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago It's so fucking ridiculous to me that people are suggesting fucking Algeria has a trans athlete. Where next, Saudi Arabia? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago They have a specific rule: if your birth certificate and passport say you're a woman, you get to compete as one. What rule do you think they should be using? permalink fedilink source parent