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[–] 55 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Saying this about any corporation's product is guaranteed not to age well.

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  • [+] 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Chromium (Google Chrome's base) is also open source.

    And yet, we're still at a corporation's mercy as to whether everything Chromium-based gets ruined by Google's fuck-what-the-users-want policies. Like with Manifest V3. And JXL support. And extensions on mobile.

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  • [+] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Except now you have to maintain a branch that's missing everything after that release upstream.

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  • [+] -44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Users do want MV3. The people complaining about it are in the minority.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Users don't know what the fuck Manifest is period. They just click the internet button. And for the longest time that meant the E with a loop around it. Now that means the multicolored circle.

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  • [+] -25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Users know that they want more security. MV3 makes a major of users that use Chrome safer from malicious extensions.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I get what you're saying, but the average person has no idea what it is, why they should care, or anything about it. All they see is Google making their extensions stop working. And when that includes some of the most popular extensions, that directly affect Googles revenue, they're going to think that's the reason.

    The overwhelming majority of users get their extensions from the Chrome Web Store... Which Google has full control over. Users expect them to be blocking almost all malicious extensions before they're even available to download.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    This. Google is pushing MV3 to single out and neuter the more robust and customizable ad blockers, like uBO. They're trying to appease their advertising investors by force feeding ads to you and they're plugging the leaks/workarounds savvy developers have created to block them.

    If Firefox ever gets popular enough, what do you wanna bet money bags Google, their primary monetary contributor, will put a condition on the next round of funding that they stop support for MV2?

    Stay small and crazy customizable Firefox.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why the hell would a user want MV3?

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  • [+] -31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because it makes a majority of users that use Chrome much safer. Do you do any basic research? Do you need me to point you to the getting started guide?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So is Android. So is Chromium. So is React, and Flutter. So is Java.

    Open source doesn't mean FOSS.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Open source does mean FOSS. It doesn’t mean community-oriented.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    No it doesn't. Different licenses dictate what you can and can't do with open source software. Some are more restrictive than others. Open source simply means that the source code is freely available.

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  • [+] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Because people have the attention span of a goldfish and if you aren't reminding them every 5 seconds of the features they have available they'll forget they do in fact use them and then complain to support because they can't spend 5 seconds on the help page.

    I say this, not in defense of mozilla, but in frustration at having to deal daily with these kinds of issues. You can put giant screen-size arrows on where to go / what single "do the thing" button to press and people will still forget 5 seconds later.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Yeah, it's strange just how readily the blinders go up wherever Mozilla is concerned. They're a corp, just like any other; if they had the money and leverage, they'd be just as aggressive as Google. Have people already forgotten that time they laid off 200+ employees and then gave all the execs bonuses?

    E: Apparently y'all have forgotten. In 2021, Mozilla laid off a few hundred employees. CEO's salary doubled that year. Fuck Mozilla, they're no more your friends than Google or Microsoft; they're the same evil, just smaller-scaled evil, is all.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    But they haven't threatened to undercut ad blocking yet, so as a comparison they are better.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Absolutely, but Mozilla is pretty much owned by Google anyway, and falling in love with these companies as wide eyed fanboys never looks good when they eventually turn.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You forgot to also mention that they are a cult where you get attacked if you say anything negative about Mozilla.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You forgot to not shill for an actual corporation

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not shilling for anyone. If you want to discuss actual technical details I'm happy to do so. If you're here just to share your feelings absent facts then I don't care what you have to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    "this is way safer for users" may as well be feelings. It's not backed up by anything but a clear boner for Google

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