β² 188 βΌ Poisoned fruit kills 12 Russian soldiers in southeast Ukraine (tvpworld.com) submitted 2 years ago by Five@slrpnk.net to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz 26 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (16 children) Wait, this is allowed? permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [β] Blum0108@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (8 children) It's not a war crime of the people poisoning the fruit are not combatants. They could probably be tried for manslaughter, and I doubt Russia would be very lenient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] ninja@lemmy.world -22 points 2 years ago (7 children) People don't get a 'get out of war crimes' card by not being officially in the military. If they purposefully took hostile action in the conflict they're combatants, uniformed or not. The use of poison is a war crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) When the Russians use rape as a weapon, I cheer on the locals in occupied areas serving poisoned fruit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Five@slrpnk.net [S] 2 points 2 years ago KYLR permalink fedilink source parent [β] viking@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago So if someone occupies your house, you'll serve cookies & cream? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes they do. This act falls under the purview of civilian enforcement. It is up to the controlling government to prosecute these civilian crimes in civilian criminal court. EDIT: Okay, so this particular argument irked me so I investigated. Unfortunately, Ninja is technically correct. According to the ICRC civilians receive an instantaneous removal of their status as non-combatant for the duration of the hostile act, and the ICC's Rome Statutes clearly list using poison as a warcrime so it is probable the perpetrators could be prosecuted. More likely, however, is that their being subject to civilians laws means they can ALSO be prosecuted in the civilian manner. Double the risk for the reward. That said. Russia wants to FAFO that's their problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago It's not a frequent event when a person on the internet recognizes their mistakes. I'm glad I saw it today. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Wilzax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Not all war crimes are actually bad when committed against worse war criminals in self-defense. permalink fedilink source parent [+] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com -7 points 2 years ago It's not a war crime if it's done against rusnya, don't you get get it? permalink fedilink source parent [β] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago This appears to be done by civilians remaining in occupied territory permalink fedilink source parent [β] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Wait, this is allowed? Not by Russian laws but who cares about those. permalink fedilink source parent [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (4 children) Nope, poisoning food and water is a war crime but who cares if only ruskies have ended dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is only a war crime if it is systematically carried out by the military in a campaign (See: Ruzzias attacks on hospitals and civilians). If it was carried out by civilians its just a lesson on how you could have just stayed home and eat non-poisoned fruit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, civilians could be charged for war crimes. Nazis like Martin Borman and Julius Streigher were civilians charged for war crimes. Nevertheless the truth is on our side, russians should all rot and die in pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a pretty big stretch to call leaders of the Nazi party civilians. This argument is like saying Putin's cabinet aren't guilty of warcrimes because they aren't soldiers. If you're in a position to effect policy and/or give orders that result in warcrimes at the very least you do not fit into the category of civilian we're discussing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Sadly enough, both Maria Lvova-Belova and these civilians that poison food are complicit in war crimes. Yes, different war crimes, different even from a moral standpoint. Yes, I understand your urge to kill every ruski pig you encounter, but this doesn't lie in a legal plane. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Blum0108@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (8 children) It's not a war crime of the people poisoning the fruit are not combatants. They could probably be tried for manslaughter, and I doubt Russia would be very lenient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] ninja@lemmy.world -22 points 2 years ago (7 children) People don't get a 'get out of war crimes' card by not being officially in the military. If they purposefully took hostile action in the conflict they're combatants, uniformed or not. The use of poison is a war crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) When the Russians use rape as a weapon, I cheer on the locals in occupied areas serving poisoned fruit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Five@slrpnk.net [S] 2 points 2 years ago KYLR permalink fedilink source parent [β] viking@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago So if someone occupies your house, you'll serve cookies & cream? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes they do. This act falls under the purview of civilian enforcement. It is up to the controlling government to prosecute these civilian crimes in civilian criminal court. EDIT: Okay, so this particular argument irked me so I investigated. Unfortunately, Ninja is technically correct. According to the ICRC civilians receive an instantaneous removal of their status as non-combatant for the duration of the hostile act, and the ICC's Rome Statutes clearly list using poison as a warcrime so it is probable the perpetrators could be prosecuted. More likely, however, is that their being subject to civilians laws means they can ALSO be prosecuted in the civilian manner. Double the risk for the reward. That said. Russia wants to FAFO that's their problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago It's not a frequent event when a person on the internet recognizes their mistakes. I'm glad I saw it today. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Wilzax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Not all war crimes are actually bad when committed against worse war criminals in self-defense. permalink fedilink source parent [+] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com -7 points 2 years ago It's not a war crime if it's done against rusnya, don't you get get it? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ninja@lemmy.world -22 points 2 years ago (7 children) People don't get a 'get out of war crimes' card by not being officially in the military. If they purposefully took hostile action in the conflict they're combatants, uniformed or not. The use of poison is a war crime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) When the Russians use rape as a weapon, I cheer on the locals in occupied areas serving poisoned fruit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Five@slrpnk.net [S] 2 points 2 years ago KYLR permalink fedilink source parent [β] viking@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago So if someone occupies your house, you'll serve cookies & cream? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes they do. This act falls under the purview of civilian enforcement. It is up to the controlling government to prosecute these civilian crimes in civilian criminal court. EDIT: Okay, so this particular argument irked me so I investigated. Unfortunately, Ninja is technically correct. According to the ICRC civilians receive an instantaneous removal of their status as non-combatant for the duration of the hostile act, and the ICC's Rome Statutes clearly list using poison as a warcrime so it is probable the perpetrators could be prosecuted. More likely, however, is that their being subject to civilians laws means they can ALSO be prosecuted in the civilian manner. Double the risk for the reward. That said. Russia wants to FAFO that's their problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago It's not a frequent event when a person on the internet recognizes their mistakes. I'm glad I saw it today. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Wilzax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Not all war crimes are actually bad when committed against worse war criminals in self-defense. permalink fedilink source parent [+] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com -7 points 2 years ago It's not a war crime if it's done against rusnya, don't you get get it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) When the Russians use rape as a weapon, I cheer on the locals in occupied areas serving poisoned fruit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Five@slrpnk.net [S] 2 points 2 years ago KYLR permalink fedilink source parent
[β] viking@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago So if someone occupies your house, you'll serve cookies & cream? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes they do. This act falls under the purview of civilian enforcement. It is up to the controlling government to prosecute these civilian crimes in civilian criminal court. EDIT: Okay, so this particular argument irked me so I investigated. Unfortunately, Ninja is technically correct. According to the ICRC civilians receive an instantaneous removal of their status as non-combatant for the duration of the hostile act, and the ICC's Rome Statutes clearly list using poison as a warcrime so it is probable the perpetrators could be prosecuted. More likely, however, is that their being subject to civilians laws means they can ALSO be prosecuted in the civilian manner. Double the risk for the reward. That said. Russia wants to FAFO that's their problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago It's not a frequent event when a person on the internet recognizes their mistakes. I'm glad I saw it today. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago It's not a frequent event when a person on the internet recognizes their mistakes. I'm glad I saw it today. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Wilzax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Not all war crimes are actually bad when committed against worse war criminals in self-defense. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com -7 points 2 years ago It's not a war crime if it's done against rusnya, don't you get get it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago This appears to be done by civilians remaining in occupied territory permalink fedilink source parent
[β] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Wait, this is allowed? Not by Russian laws but who cares about those. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (4 children) Nope, poisoning food and water is a war crime but who cares if only ruskies have ended dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is only a war crime if it is systematically carried out by the military in a campaign (See: Ruzzias attacks on hospitals and civilians). If it was carried out by civilians its just a lesson on how you could have just stayed home and eat non-poisoned fruit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, civilians could be charged for war crimes. Nazis like Martin Borman and Julius Streigher were civilians charged for war crimes. Nevertheless the truth is on our side, russians should all rot and die in pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a pretty big stretch to call leaders of the Nazi party civilians. This argument is like saying Putin's cabinet aren't guilty of warcrimes because they aren't soldiers. If you're in a position to effect policy and/or give orders that result in warcrimes at the very least you do not fit into the category of civilian we're discussing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Sadly enough, both Maria Lvova-Belova and these civilians that poison food are complicit in war crimes. Yes, different war crimes, different even from a moral standpoint. Yes, I understand your urge to kill every ruski pig you encounter, but this doesn't lie in a legal plane. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) It is only a war crime if it is systematically carried out by the military in a campaign (See: Ruzzias attacks on hospitals and civilians). If it was carried out by civilians its just a lesson on how you could have just stayed home and eat non-poisoned fruit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, civilians could be charged for war crimes. Nazis like Martin Borman and Julius Streigher were civilians charged for war crimes. Nevertheless the truth is on our side, russians should all rot and die in pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a pretty big stretch to call leaders of the Nazi party civilians. This argument is like saying Putin's cabinet aren't guilty of warcrimes because they aren't soldiers. If you're in a position to effect policy and/or give orders that result in warcrimes at the very least you do not fit into the category of civilian we're discussing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Sadly enough, both Maria Lvova-Belova and these civilians that poison food are complicit in war crimes. Yes, different war crimes, different even from a moral standpoint. Yes, I understand your urge to kill every ruski pig you encounter, but this doesn't lie in a legal plane. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, civilians could be charged for war crimes. Nazis like Martin Borman and Julius Streigher were civilians charged for war crimes. Nevertheless the truth is on our side, russians should all rot and die in pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a pretty big stretch to call leaders of the Nazi party civilians. This argument is like saying Putin's cabinet aren't guilty of warcrimes because they aren't soldiers. If you're in a position to effect policy and/or give orders that result in warcrimes at the very least you do not fit into the category of civilian we're discussing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Sadly enough, both Maria Lvova-Belova and these civilians that poison food are complicit in war crimes. Yes, different war crimes, different even from a moral standpoint. Yes, I understand your urge to kill every ruski pig you encounter, but this doesn't lie in a legal plane. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a pretty big stretch to call leaders of the Nazi party civilians. This argument is like saying Putin's cabinet aren't guilty of warcrimes because they aren't soldiers. If you're in a position to effect policy and/or give orders that result in warcrimes at the very least you do not fit into the category of civilian we're discussing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Sadly enough, both Maria Lvova-Belova and these civilians that poison food are complicit in war crimes. Yes, different war crimes, different even from a moral standpoint. Yes, I understand your urge to kill every ruski pig you encounter, but this doesn't lie in a legal plane. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Sadly enough, both Maria Lvova-Belova and these civilians that poison food are complicit in war crimes. Yes, different war crimes, different even from a moral standpoint. Yes, I understand your urge to kill every ruski pig you encounter, but this doesn't lie in a legal plane. permalink fedilink source parent