▲ 611 ▼ Dark mode’s bright future: How dark mode will transform Wikipedia’s accessibility (diff.wikimedia.org) submitted 2 years ago by neme@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 99 points 2 years ago (20 children) Dark Reader Plugin already solved that issue. permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 165 points 2 years ago (11 children) Native dark modes are better and have much less of a performance impact. It’s good as a stop gap though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Native dark modes are better Agreed. Well, I don't know if it'd deal with random images as well, as users can upload those. and have much less of a performance impact. For a number of sites, you can just get away with running Dark Reader in static mode and it works well enough. Considerably faster. EDIT: Actually, thanks for reminding me. I've never donated to Dark Reader, and it looks like they ask for a $10 donation if you use it regularly, and that plugin has dramatically improved my Web-browsing experience. Going to do that now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also just donated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago Dark reader team be like "Guys! We're eating pizza tonight!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Maybe. Does it make a big performance difference which css (dark reader or delivered by wiki) is used? Is it known how the default to dark mode setting is persisted if let's say a plugin removed all the Wikipedia cookies on window close? A get or post parameter? Either way it's a good thing that wiki offers a dark mode. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Dark reader is one of the heaviest extensions you use, lots of dom modifications. It also passes around far too much data between processes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) lots of dom modifications That's good to know. These modifications are needed to replace the style sheet details, I guess? passes around far too much data between processes. What does this mean? Do you have a link where I could read up on the details? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago). There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MonkderDritte@feddit.de -9 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Native". That every webpage has to implement it themselves is sad. Could be a browser feature that overrides some colors on dark. Then again, with webapps, probably not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bamboo@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago This is sorta how dark reader and such works. It turns out that implementing dark mode for most websites is more complicated than inverting all the css colors. For example, some gray on white text might have enough contrast to be easily read, but when inverted the text is hard to discern or nearly invisible. Images too, they might have a white background but not look good when inverted. Native support is better permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroPoke@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Funny enough they do. Before Dark Reader on Firefox on Android I had a Chrome flag that did the same thing. But Dark Reader does a better job IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aethr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Chrome flag works on some websites, but makes others completely unreadable. Do not recommend unless you can't use dark reader permalink fedilink source parent [–] Monomate@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, Dark Reader is a godsend. I just got tired of all the light mode webpages and took matters into my own hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm really surprised that it works as well as it does, given the insane amount of stuff that it interacts with. I'd think that it'd be way more fragile than it is. I'll also add that while I very much prefer dark mode interfaces -- staring at a light mode interface in the dark is kind of like staring into a headlamp -- if I had a display that (a) was reflective rather than transmissive in the sun (like eink displays are) and (b) did reasonable automatic brightness adjustment, and (c) software consistently made use of a color range such that "standard light background" isn't "set every pixel on the display to its maximum brightness", I might be okay with light mode. If I had to pick just one, I'd choose dark mode, but if technology advances, I might be okay with light mode. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not a fan of dark reader. It has a weird blue tint to things. I much prefer Dark Background and Light Text. That extensions has a true black background. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can change the color. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Been a while since I've tested that extension out, does it have stylesheet, css, or invert modes so different pages can be shown differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] buttconjuror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is ot jyst me or does dark reader do formulas wrong on wikepedia for u as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Which Page? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 165 points 2 years ago (11 children) Native dark modes are better and have much less of a performance impact. It’s good as a stop gap though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Native dark modes are better Agreed. Well, I don't know if it'd deal with random images as well, as users can upload those. and have much less of a performance impact. For a number of sites, you can just get away with running Dark Reader in static mode and it works well enough. Considerably faster. EDIT: Actually, thanks for reminding me. I've never donated to Dark Reader, and it looks like they ask for a $10 donation if you use it regularly, and that plugin has dramatically improved my Web-browsing experience. Going to do that now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also just donated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago Dark reader team be like "Guys! We're eating pizza tonight!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Maybe. Does it make a big performance difference which css (dark reader or delivered by wiki) is used? Is it known how the default to dark mode setting is persisted if let's say a plugin removed all the Wikipedia cookies on window close? A get or post parameter? Either way it's a good thing that wiki offers a dark mode. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Dark reader is one of the heaviest extensions you use, lots of dom modifications. It also passes around far too much data between processes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) lots of dom modifications That's good to know. These modifications are needed to replace the style sheet details, I guess? passes around far too much data between processes. What does this mean? Do you have a link where I could read up on the details? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago). There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MonkderDritte@feddit.de -9 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Native". That every webpage has to implement it themselves is sad. Could be a browser feature that overrides some colors on dark. Then again, with webapps, probably not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bamboo@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago This is sorta how dark reader and such works. It turns out that implementing dark mode for most websites is more complicated than inverting all the css colors. For example, some gray on white text might have enough contrast to be easily read, but when inverted the text is hard to discern or nearly invisible. Images too, they might have a white background but not look good when inverted. Native support is better permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroPoke@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Funny enough they do. Before Dark Reader on Firefox on Android I had a Chrome flag that did the same thing. But Dark Reader does a better job IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aethr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Chrome flag works on some websites, but makes others completely unreadable. Do not recommend unless you can't use dark reader permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tal@lemmy.today 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Native dark modes are better Agreed. Well, I don't know if it'd deal with random images as well, as users can upload those. and have much less of a performance impact. For a number of sites, you can just get away with running Dark Reader in static mode and it works well enough. Considerably faster. EDIT: Actually, thanks for reminding me. I've never donated to Dark Reader, and it looks like they ask for a $10 donation if you use it regularly, and that plugin has dramatically improved my Web-browsing experience. Going to do that now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Armand1@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also just donated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago Dark reader team be like "Guys! We're eating pizza tonight!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also just donated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago Dark reader team be like "Guys! We're eating pizza tonight!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago Dark reader team be like "Guys! We're eating pizza tonight!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Maybe. Does it make a big performance difference which css (dark reader or delivered by wiki) is used? Is it known how the default to dark mode setting is persisted if let's say a plugin removed all the Wikipedia cookies on window close? A get or post parameter? Either way it's a good thing that wiki offers a dark mode. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Dark reader is one of the heaviest extensions you use, lots of dom modifications. It also passes around far too much data between processes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) lots of dom modifications That's good to know. These modifications are needed to replace the style sheet details, I guess? passes around far too much data between processes. What does this mean? Do you have a link where I could read up on the details? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago). There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Dark reader is one of the heaviest extensions you use, lots of dom modifications. It also passes around far too much data between processes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) lots of dom modifications That's good to know. These modifications are needed to replace the style sheet details, I guess? passes around far too much data between processes. What does this mean? Do you have a link where I could read up on the details? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago). There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) lots of dom modifications That's good to know. These modifications are needed to replace the style sheet details, I guess? passes around far too much data between processes. What does this mean? Do you have a link where I could read up on the details? Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago). There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago). There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MonkderDritte@feddit.de -9 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Native". That every webpage has to implement it themselves is sad. Could be a browser feature that overrides some colors on dark. Then again, with webapps, probably not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bamboo@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago This is sorta how dark reader and such works. It turns out that implementing dark mode for most websites is more complicated than inverting all the css colors. For example, some gray on white text might have enough contrast to be easily read, but when inverted the text is hard to discern or nearly invisible. Images too, they might have a white background but not look good when inverted. Native support is better permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroPoke@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Funny enough they do. Before Dark Reader on Firefox on Android I had a Chrome flag that did the same thing. But Dark Reader does a better job IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aethr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Chrome flag works on some websites, but makes others completely unreadable. Do not recommend unless you can't use dark reader permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago This is sorta how dark reader and such works. It turns out that implementing dark mode for most websites is more complicated than inverting all the css colors. For example, some gray on white text might have enough contrast to be easily read, but when inverted the text is hard to discern or nearly invisible. Images too, they might have a white background but not look good when inverted. Native support is better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroPoke@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Funny enough they do. Before Dark Reader on Firefox on Android I had a Chrome flag that did the same thing. But Dark Reader does a better job IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aethr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Chrome flag works on some websites, but makes others completely unreadable. Do not recommend unless you can't use dark reader permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aethr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Chrome flag works on some websites, but makes others completely unreadable. Do not recommend unless you can't use dark reader permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Monomate@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, Dark Reader is a godsend. I just got tired of all the light mode webpages and took matters into my own hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm really surprised that it works as well as it does, given the insane amount of stuff that it interacts with. I'd think that it'd be way more fragile than it is. I'll also add that while I very much prefer dark mode interfaces -- staring at a light mode interface in the dark is kind of like staring into a headlamp -- if I had a display that (a) was reflective rather than transmissive in the sun (like eink displays are) and (b) did reasonable automatic brightness adjustment, and (c) software consistently made use of a color range such that "standard light background" isn't "set every pixel on the display to its maximum brightness", I might be okay with light mode. If I had to pick just one, I'd choose dark mode, but if technology advances, I might be okay with light mode. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm really surprised that it works as well as it does, given the insane amount of stuff that it interacts with. I'd think that it'd be way more fragile than it is. I'll also add that while I very much prefer dark mode interfaces -- staring at a light mode interface in the dark is kind of like staring into a headlamp -- if I had a display that (a) was reflective rather than transmissive in the sun (like eink displays are) and (b) did reasonable automatic brightness adjustment, and (c) software consistently made use of a color range such that "standard light background" isn't "set every pixel on the display to its maximum brightness", I might be okay with light mode. If I had to pick just one, I'd choose dark mode, but if technology advances, I might be okay with light mode. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not a fan of dark reader. It has a weird blue tint to things. I much prefer Dark Background and Light Text. That extensions has a true black background. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can change the color. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Been a while since I've tested that extension out, does it have stylesheet, css, or invert modes so different pages can be shown differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] buttconjuror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can change the color. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Been a while since I've tested that extension out, does it have stylesheet, css, or invert modes so different pages can be shown differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] buttconjuror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Been a while since I've tested that extension out, does it have stylesheet, css, or invert modes so different pages can be shown differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] buttconjuror@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is ot jyst me or does dark reader do formulas wrong on wikepedia for u as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Which Page? permalink fedilink source parent