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Restaurant in NYC offshores cashier job to Philippines so they can pay below minimum wage ($3/hr in Philippines) (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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[–] 52 points 2 years ago (25 children)

Are there movements in the US or globally to force all business into worker coops? Unions are good but I think this is their ultimate limitation, that employers can just offshore their jobs

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Argentina has somewhat of a history of workers seizing their factories. I think it would be extremely hard in the U.S. due to the well-funded police. Generally, I guess the movement would be "anarcho-syndicalism."

    Edit: misremembered worker factory takeovers in the past as occurring in Venezuela instead of Argentina.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Got some sources on that? I was born and raised there and all I can find is the government seizing factories, not the workers

    Edit: some sources of my own

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/general-motors-says-venezuelan-officials-illegally-seize-plant-n748741

    https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/las-expropiaciones-venezuela-ruta-directa-al-desastre-nid2376403/

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  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Forcing isn’t good.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    By that hyper-simplistic "logic" people shouldn't be forced into prison if they murder someone.

    Clearly some kinds of forcing in some situations are "good", and if some are good but other not, that means the real discussion is all about "when is forcing right and when is it not?" something that childlike "logic" of yours doesn't even begin to address.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Forcing to defend the lives of others, is very different from forcibly taking what belongs to others

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    The meme is right, the claim of belonging is complete bullshit. Your toothbrush and your home belong to you, a business involving multiple people belongs to everyone involved. The idea that it doesn't is narcissism and evil.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Your toothbrush and your home belong to you, a business involving multiple people belongs to everyone involved.

    You're free to believe what you want, I'm personally a Lockean property rights enjoyer.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Cringe and evil

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Funny bc thats in agreement with what I just said. Unless you think your home and toothbrush are not yours bc you didn't make them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    It rightfully belongs to the workers. The firm is basically a vehicle for appropriating the positive and negative product of production. The just basis of property is getting the positive and negative fruits of your labor (i.e. the labor theory of property). In a capitalist employer-employee relationship, the employer gets solely holds the whole product while workers are denied their claim to it despite it being a result of their labor.

    @aboringdystopia

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Forcing is absolutely good. We force companies to do all kinds of things, in terms of corporate governance (publicly traded companies must have their finances audited, for example), ownership (banks used to be prevented from buying stock so that they would not avoid calling in bad debt), and how they do business (collusion between big tech to keep salaries down for example).

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