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[–] 89 points 2 years ago (59 children)

Who cares? It’s run by reactionary incels, transphobes, and racists.

Wait until you find out who runs Lemmy development.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (51 children)

    Good news, most folks at beehaw know and the admins have decided to move to a new platform

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (50 children)

    Correct. We're moving to Sublinks very soon. Buckle up.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    oh boy I can't wait for all of the integrations to break

    also is it just me or is deciding what software you use and do not pay for based on the political views of the people who create it (who again in no way benefit from its use by people who don't donate) incredibly fucking stupid

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Don't call people "incredibly fucking stupid". Be(e) nice.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    i'm not calling people stupid, i'm calling an idea stupid. is that also not kosher?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    It is absolutely a reasonable interpretation to assume you were referring to the people making the decision you didn't like. And even if it wasn't, calling an idea a group of people have "incredibly fucking stupid" isn't much different, as it carries an implication of how you see those people.

    If you feel other people are getting offended too easily at what you say, I recommend spending extra time on your posts to ensure you avoid saying derogatory things you don't intend for. Something that looks good to you can be incredibly insulting to others who read differently from you, and since conversation is a two-way street, that's the kind of thing we all need to be aware of.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    @AVincentInSpace @remington The Lemmy devs are infamously difficult to work with. They've repeatedly shown an unwillingness to even acknowledge the existence of the many problems that instance admins face. That has been a big driver in Beehaw's decision to move platforms, not just because of a difference in political views, and they've been pretty open about discussing it. You're way off-base.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Do you know what topic brought you here?

    "Hey guys, let's not use this free software, because of their views."

    "Maybe we shouldn't use this other free software because of their views."

    "Why are you guys worried about which free software you use based on their views?"

    "We can all tell you aren't new, why are you complaining about our unofficial pastime?"

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    It's almost like the philosophy behind a software matters to its long-term stability. Like, as if devs might find reasons to, I don't know, reject PRs, ignore bugs, and trash their users when they come to them for help.

    Weird that the content of someone's mind might affect their actions or be an indicator of what level of trust they should be extended!

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Programming is a form of communication. When you develop a piece of software, it will intrinsically be biased to boost the kinds of messages you believe in. This is both because you as a person think about problems a certain way, and because the code you write is meant to convey to others how you were thinking about the problem you were trying to solve. Who heads projects and how they communicate with their community matters to what the product produced will become, not just because of how the leads will think about the problem, but also because people who don't get along with them won't wind up contributing. Beehaw requested moderation tools that the lead lemmy Devs didn't view as valuable. The result is beehaw, reasonably, gave up on getting PRs merged and issues tracked in the issue tracker, instead choosing to look at Sublinks which was explicitly started in response to Lemmy's devs not behaving well with their own development community.

    And for anyone saying Sublinks is splintering the Lemmy Dev community, no, lemmy's devs did that themselves

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wasn't making any judgement on this, although if I were, I would point out that one of the benefits of open source is the ability to fork projects and move away from the elements you have a philosophical issue with, such as what the OpenOffice developers did when Oracle purchased Sun and started imposing their unplayable rules. What I was half-jokingly pointing out was some guy coming in deep into the conversation of highly opinionated people and acting like the conversation wasn't about their various opinions.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    People talk about forking open source projects as if you just push a button and it happens on its own. I mean, okay, that's the first step, but maintaining an repo is a whole thing. Saying 'well just fork it then' is only a viable solution if you have the the means, the time, and the inclination. It isn't really an exclusive alternative to criticism, but another, much narrower, potential additional path.

    It would certainly be good if people would fork all the useful projects made by devs who are interested in promoting social conservatism masquerading as 'apolitical actions' that attempt to reinforce the existing status quo of power. I'm not sure how likely it is, though. Certainly less so than bringing criticism to the table.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Will it federate with Lemmy? I would miss you folks.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    It's my understanding that it will...I believe that's, also, what it means when they (Sublinks developers) said it would be "Lemmy compatible".

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    That could also mean client API-compatible, so Lemmy apps would work with it, which doesn't address federation.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Maybe so. We should, probably, ask @Penguincoder@beehaw.org about this.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Pong. @mox@lemmy.sdf.org , in sublinks, the federation services are entirely separate from the API of the instance. So much separate, the federation services are written in a programming language called Golang. The API service is written in a programming language called Java.

    One aspect does not require or preclude the other with Sublinks.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Indeed, protocol is independent from implementation language, but that isn't the question at hand.

    Do you know whether Beehaw will still federate with the lemmyverse (and therefore the rest of us) after moving to Sublinks?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    then what's the point if you're still not getting away from the same people?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's like saying what is the point of misskey (and its forks) when it can be seen by people on mastodon. Isn't that the whole point of the fediverse?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes I don't understand the point of misskey either. It just seems to be a Japanese clone of mastodon with a small, differing interpretation of some parts of ActivityPub.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Sublinks exists because the developers of Lemmy have repeatedly ignored feature requests from instance admins and acted in a hostile manner towards them. They're unpleasant to work with, so a bunch of people decided to no longer work with them and create their own project.

    It feels like you're only capable of seeing the "logical" point for something to exist friend. Misskey is to Tumblr as Mastodon is to Twitter.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I am overjoyed to hear that we'll be staying in the fediverse and I can stay with beehaw.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    The demo on that link is literally Lemmy lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    why do something original when we can just copy because we say we don't like the devs?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Its better to fork than recreate the wheel.

    Well, PRs are better, but when the devs ban their contributors or don't accept PRs, then at some point its best to fork. Lots of people have come to this decision

    I'm looking forward to switching to Sublinks but it isnt ready

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