▲ 781 ▼ EU attempt to sneak through new encryption-eroding law slammed by Signal, politicians (www.theregister.com) submitted 2 years ago by schizoidman@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world 106 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -63 points 2 years ago (33 children) That also works for guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 77 points 2 years ago (10 children) You can't murder a room full of children with pgp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago Say that again after you sit the same IT exams as I did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not with that kind of attitude! permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago (7 children) I already have a chainsaw for that kind of thing, that does this have to do with guns and encryption? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 27 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah, that's the point. What do guns have to do with encryption? I could say "If you outlaw beards, only outlaws will have beards" and it will make as much sense as your original post. I appreciate that you have a weird fetish for violence but you don't have to shoe-horn it into every conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -14 points 2 years ago (5 children) Privacy and guns can be used for defense. Beards generally don't affect that (though Alexander was of a different opinion and made his soldiers shave so that they couldn't be grabbed by the beard ; I think same was the reasoning for Roman soldiers shaving their beards and other hair). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp. I'll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say "this also works for guns". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (19 children) Only in the only country that believes that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -25 points 2 years ago (18 children) What? You think criminals don't have guns in yours? By the way, a country can't believe anything, it's an artificial concept on a map. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (4 children) Unironically yes. Out of 1000 crime news I hear about here, maybe one of them is about gun violence. Also I have never ever heard about mass killings here like USA seems to have every week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Look up stats, because what's reported in media is always quite different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago That's what I think. That's what I observed (anecdotally) and what statistics show. When the sentence for having a gun is higher than robbery or drug dealing or whatever, even criminals avoid that shit. Why would you think criminals DO have guns in other countries? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (11 children) So is obtuseness and pedantry. Sorry I made you fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) You can be anti-guns but he is still right. Criminals do have weapons where I live, even though it's illegal. Fortunately, we don't have many criminals since the country is rich permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (7 children) I really don't think you need to mansplain shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a weird answer, I didn't say that obtuseness\pedantry can believe in something. You made nobody fail, accusing someone of these traits just means their correctness is socially unpleasant for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Uhh have you heard? Constitutional rights are ala cart now! Just pick and choose what you want! No big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I've always been reluctant to rely on papers like any constitution as a base for my perceived rights. Maybe as an argument, in the sense of "smart people have said that it should be and made some points in its favor". But in general it's a horrid mistake to rely on a paper. Some people you haven't given any consent will stamp a few saying that you are a slave and oops. The reality is that there's no way to consistently defend a right suppressed by legal arguments. If you can check the chain of laws giving you some right or taking it, you'll always come to the point where it's just "we all decide that's law" and you were not part of that decision. And if you go the opposite way and just accept what's made law, then you are dropping the idea of rights in its entirety, making decisions made by someone else a law for you. My point is that this is unsolvable and one can't replace good and evil with legal arguments. Laws will never be sufficiently good for that, even constitutional laws. So I'm for right to arm oneself, but I don't think there's any magic allowing to universally prove that a thing is legally right or wrong. Which is why, again, a journalism which isn't outrageous is just public relations, a protest that doesn't harm economy and break laws is just a demonstration, an a principle which can be overridden by a law or a threat of force is just virtue signalling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Naich@lemmings.world 77 points 2 years ago (10 children) You can't murder a room full of children with pgp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago Say that again after you sit the same IT exams as I did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not with that kind of attitude! permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago (7 children) I already have a chainsaw for that kind of thing, that does this have to do with guns and encryption? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 27 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah, that's the point. What do guns have to do with encryption? I could say "If you outlaw beards, only outlaws will have beards" and it will make as much sense as your original post. I appreciate that you have a weird fetish for violence but you don't have to shoe-horn it into every conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -14 points 2 years ago (5 children) Privacy and guns can be used for defense. Beards generally don't affect that (though Alexander was of a different opinion and made his soldiers shave so that they couldn't be grabbed by the beard ; I think same was the reasoning for Roman soldiers shaving their beards and other hair). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp. I'll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say "this also works for guns". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago Say that again after you sit the same IT exams as I did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not with that kind of attitude! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago (7 children) I already have a chainsaw for that kind of thing, that does this have to do with guns and encryption? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 27 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah, that's the point. What do guns have to do with encryption? I could say "If you outlaw beards, only outlaws will have beards" and it will make as much sense as your original post. I appreciate that you have a weird fetish for violence but you don't have to shoe-horn it into every conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -14 points 2 years ago (5 children) Privacy and guns can be used for defense. Beards generally don't affect that (though Alexander was of a different opinion and made his soldiers shave so that they couldn't be grabbed by the beard ; I think same was the reasoning for Roman soldiers shaving their beards and other hair). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp. I'll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say "this also works for guns". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Naich@lemmings.world 27 points 2 years ago (6 children) Yeah, that's the point. What do guns have to do with encryption? I could say "If you outlaw beards, only outlaws will have beards" and it will make as much sense as your original post. I appreciate that you have a weird fetish for violence but you don't have to shoe-horn it into every conversation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -14 points 2 years ago (5 children) Privacy and guns can be used for defense. Beards generally don't affect that (though Alexander was of a different opinion and made his soldiers shave so that they couldn't be grabbed by the beard ; I think same was the reasoning for Roman soldiers shaving their beards and other hair). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp. I'll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say "this also works for guns". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -14 points 2 years ago (5 children) Privacy and guns can be used for defense. Beards generally don't affect that (though Alexander was of a different opinion and made his soldiers shave so that they couldn't be grabbed by the beard ; I think same was the reasoning for Roman soldiers shaving their beards and other hair). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp. I'll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say "this also works for guns". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can’t murder a room full of children with pgp. I'll just say it again in the hope that it might dawn on you that the two things are not even remotely similar enough that you can say "this also works for guns". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) I've already described specifically how they are similar, it might dawn on you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument. Not hopeful though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Naich@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) What? That they can both be used for defense? Name something that couldn't ever be used for defense. Your comparison is pointless because the only trait they share is one which is also shared by pretty much everything else on the planet. Like beards, to bring up an earlier example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are both intended for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago I think it's safe to say guns are an offensive weapon permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (19 children) Only in the only country that believes that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -25 points 2 years ago (18 children) What? You think criminals don't have guns in yours? By the way, a country can't believe anything, it's an artificial concept on a map. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (4 children) Unironically yes. Out of 1000 crime news I hear about here, maybe one of them is about gun violence. Also I have never ever heard about mass killings here like USA seems to have every week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Look up stats, because what's reported in media is always quite different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago That's what I think. That's what I observed (anecdotally) and what statistics show. When the sentence for having a gun is higher than robbery or drug dealing or whatever, even criminals avoid that shit. Why would you think criminals DO have guns in other countries? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (11 children) So is obtuseness and pedantry. Sorry I made you fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) You can be anti-guns but he is still right. Criminals do have weapons where I live, even though it's illegal. Fortunately, we don't have many criminals since the country is rich permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (7 children) I really don't think you need to mansplain shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a weird answer, I didn't say that obtuseness\pedantry can believe in something. You made nobody fail, accusing someone of these traits just means their correctness is socially unpleasant for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -25 points 2 years ago (18 children) What? You think criminals don't have guns in yours? By the way, a country can't believe anything, it's an artificial concept on a map. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (4 children) Unironically yes. Out of 1000 crime news I hear about here, maybe one of them is about gun violence. Also I have never ever heard about mass killings here like USA seems to have every week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Look up stats, because what's reported in media is always quite different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago That's what I think. That's what I observed (anecdotally) and what statistics show. When the sentence for having a gun is higher than robbery or drug dealing or whatever, even criminals avoid that shit. Why would you think criminals DO have guns in other countries? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (11 children) So is obtuseness and pedantry. Sorry I made you fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) You can be anti-guns but he is still right. Criminals do have weapons where I live, even though it's illegal. Fortunately, we don't have many criminals since the country is rich permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (7 children) I really don't think you need to mansplain shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a weird answer, I didn't say that obtuseness\pedantry can believe in something. You made nobody fail, accusing someone of these traits just means their correctness is socially unpleasant for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (4 children) Unironically yes. Out of 1000 crime news I hear about here, maybe one of them is about gun violence. Also I have never ever heard about mass killings here like USA seems to have every week. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Look up stats, because what's reported in media is always quite different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Look up stats, because what's reported in media is always quite different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Lol is it really that hard for you to believe? I am not just talking about media channels, also just word around the block, multiple YouTube channels and such. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not that hard. I'd say organized crime will have guns regardless. Usual hooligans will do with many things one can imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago Yes and those organised crimes are almost non existant and not even close to the violence in US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago That's what I think. That's what I observed (anecdotally) and what statistics show. When the sentence for having a gun is higher than robbery or drug dealing or whatever, even criminals avoid that shit. Why would you think criminals DO have guns in other countries? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (11 children) So is obtuseness and pedantry. Sorry I made you fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) You can be anti-guns but he is still right. Criminals do have weapons where I live, even though it's illegal. Fortunately, we don't have many criminals since the country is rich permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (7 children) I really don't think you need to mansplain shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent [+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a weird answer, I didn't say that obtuseness\pedantry can believe in something. You made nobody fail, accusing someone of these traits just means their correctness is socially unpleasant for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) You can be anti-guns but he is still right. Criminals do have weapons where I live, even though it's illegal. Fortunately, we don't have many criminals since the country is rich permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (7 children) I really don't think you need to mansplain shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (7 children) I really don't think you need to mansplain shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't care if you are a woman, I didn't even know. Also, you are the one being wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) You already said that to the other guy, and it was already ridiculous back then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dogsnest@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, once again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You should ask chatgpt, it would provide better and more constructive comments permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The voice of experience, I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a weird answer, I didn't say that obtuseness\pedantry can believe in something. You made nobody fail, accusing someone of these traits just means their correctness is socially unpleasant for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sorry for your loss. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Uhh have you heard? Constitutional rights are ala cart now! Just pick and choose what you want! No big deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I've always been reluctant to rely on papers like any constitution as a base for my perceived rights. Maybe as an argument, in the sense of "smart people have said that it should be and made some points in its favor". But in general it's a horrid mistake to rely on a paper. Some people you haven't given any consent will stamp a few saying that you are a slave and oops. The reality is that there's no way to consistently defend a right suppressed by legal arguments. If you can check the chain of laws giving you some right or taking it, you'll always come to the point where it's just "we all decide that's law" and you were not part of that decision. And if you go the opposite way and just accept what's made law, then you are dropping the idea of rights in its entirety, making decisions made by someone else a law for you. My point is that this is unsolvable and one can't replace good and evil with legal arguments. Laws will never be sufficiently good for that, even constitutional laws. So I'm for right to arm oneself, but I don't think there's any magic allowing to universally prove that a thing is legally right or wrong. Which is why, again, a journalism which isn't outrageous is just public relations, a protest that doesn't harm economy and break laws is just a demonstration, an a principle which can be overridden by a law or a threat of force is just virtue signalling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I've always been reluctant to rely on papers like any constitution as a base for my perceived rights. Maybe as an argument, in the sense of "smart people have said that it should be and made some points in its favor". But in general it's a horrid mistake to rely on a paper. Some people you haven't given any consent will stamp a few saying that you are a slave and oops. The reality is that there's no way to consistently defend a right suppressed by legal arguments. If you can check the chain of laws giving you some right or taking it, you'll always come to the point where it's just "we all decide that's law" and you were not part of that decision. And if you go the opposite way and just accept what's made law, then you are dropping the idea of rights in its entirety, making decisions made by someone else a law for you. My point is that this is unsolvable and one can't replace good and evil with legal arguments. Laws will never be sufficiently good for that, even constitutional laws. So I'm for right to arm oneself, but I don't think there's any magic allowing to universally prove that a thing is legally right or wrong. Which is why, again, a journalism which isn't outrageous is just public relations, a protest that doesn't harm economy and break laws is just a demonstration, an a principle which can be overridden by a law or a threat of force is just virtue signalling. permalink fedilink source parent