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[β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 259 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Put your money where your mouth is and open source the Tesla software. Do it. I fuckin' dare ya. Edit: we want Falcon 9's landing guidance software too. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] evidences@lemmy.world 100 points 2 years ago (2 children) Open sourcing the falcon 9 software would almost definitely be a violation of ITAR.... On second thought it would be fun to see him go to prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago Nothing could possibly go wrong open sourcing a missle rocket guidance system... permalink fedilink source parent [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Source code is protected under 1st amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol I don't think it's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is permalink fedilink source parent [β] gnutard@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child) No, not just open, free it entirely. License the code under a GPL license. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago It'll probably be MIT... just like the rest of the corps. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) I want a world where anyone can go to space. It the thing I wanna do the most. But I'm not rich and I'm no super smart and I have awful health. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 45 points 2 years ago (2 children) I know what you mean, but if itβs any consolation, you are in space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I want to be in space by myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Blanket fort? permalink fedilink source parent [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you know you arenβt alone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I mean, you right lol permalink fedilink source parent [β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) We gotta figure out a better way than strapping ourselves to a continuously exploding bomb and pulling some serious Gs for 8 minutes. Wonder how some of those SSTO space plane projects are doing...there was a British one I can't remember. Used hybrid air-breathing scramjets, switching to internal oxidizer once it was going fast and high enough. Edit: here is is and I was mistaken it's not a SCRAMjet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Space planes carry along heavy-as-fuck wings, control surfaces and a lot of other bullshit that's only useful inside the atmosphere, and which massively increase fuel consumption for every single maneuver while your space plane is actually where you want it to do stuff - in space. And the only benefit is that the atmosphere helps lift and fuel your vehicle to about 10% of orbital velocity. The other 90% it will have to accelerate just like any other rocket. The SpaceX approach is much better: Land and reuse all parts of your rocket, but don't carry them with you further than where they're useful. Rockets leave the atmosphere where wings would work within a few minutes anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but...most people's grandparents aren't going to be riding rockets. This isn't sustainable for widespread access to space. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you really want countries like North Korea, Iran and China having access to software that would certainly be used for missile guidance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Why not. If everyone has it, everyone will be afraid to use it, because they know everyone else has it, but what they don't know is how many have developed a working prototype. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ehh, mutually assured destruction has worked so far, but there are some crazy assholes out there who might not act rationally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, that is true. permalink fedilink source parent [β] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Yes like in America gun violence never happens because everyone has guns. Hmmm permalink fedilink source parent
[β] evidences@lemmy.world 100 points 2 years ago (2 children) Open sourcing the falcon 9 software would almost definitely be a violation of ITAR.... On second thought it would be fun to see him go to prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago Nothing could possibly go wrong open sourcing a missle rocket guidance system... permalink fedilink source parent [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Source code is protected under 1st amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol I don't think it's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is permalink fedilink source parent
[β] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago Nothing could possibly go wrong open sourcing a missle rocket guidance system... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Source code is protected under 1st amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol I don't think it's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is permalink fedilink source parent
[β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol I don't think it's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gnutard@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 years ago* (1 child) No, not just open, free it entirely. License the code under a GPL license. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago It'll probably be MIT... just like the rest of the corps. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago It'll probably be MIT... just like the rest of the corps. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) I want a world where anyone can go to space. It the thing I wanna do the most. But I'm not rich and I'm no super smart and I have awful health. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 45 points 2 years ago (2 children) I know what you mean, but if itβs any consolation, you are in space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I want to be in space by myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Blanket fort? permalink fedilink source parent [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you know you arenβt alone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I mean, you right lol permalink fedilink source parent [β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) We gotta figure out a better way than strapping ourselves to a continuously exploding bomb and pulling some serious Gs for 8 minutes. Wonder how some of those SSTO space plane projects are doing...there was a British one I can't remember. Used hybrid air-breathing scramjets, switching to internal oxidizer once it was going fast and high enough. Edit: here is is and I was mistaken it's not a SCRAMjet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Space planes carry along heavy-as-fuck wings, control surfaces and a lot of other bullshit that's only useful inside the atmosphere, and which massively increase fuel consumption for every single maneuver while your space plane is actually where you want it to do stuff - in space. And the only benefit is that the atmosphere helps lift and fuel your vehicle to about 10% of orbital velocity. The other 90% it will have to accelerate just like any other rocket. The SpaceX approach is much better: Land and reuse all parts of your rocket, but don't carry them with you further than where they're useful. Rockets leave the atmosphere where wings would work within a few minutes anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but...most people's grandparents aren't going to be riding rockets. This isn't sustainable for widespread access to space. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 45 points 2 years ago (2 children) I know what you mean, but if itβs any consolation, you are in space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I want to be in space by myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Blanket fort? permalink fedilink source parent [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you know you arenβt alone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I mean, you right lol permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I want to be in space by myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Blanket fort? permalink fedilink source parent [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you know you arenβt alone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) How do you know you arenβt alone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise. Iβm sure she hears things. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I mean, you right lol permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) We gotta figure out a better way than strapping ourselves to a continuously exploding bomb and pulling some serious Gs for 8 minutes. Wonder how some of those SSTO space plane projects are doing...there was a British one I can't remember. Used hybrid air-breathing scramjets, switching to internal oxidizer once it was going fast and high enough. Edit: here is is and I was mistaken it's not a SCRAMjet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Space planes carry along heavy-as-fuck wings, control surfaces and a lot of other bullshit that's only useful inside the atmosphere, and which massively increase fuel consumption for every single maneuver while your space plane is actually where you want it to do stuff - in space. And the only benefit is that the atmosphere helps lift and fuel your vehicle to about 10% of orbital velocity. The other 90% it will have to accelerate just like any other rocket. The SpaceX approach is much better: Land and reuse all parts of your rocket, but don't carry them with you further than where they're useful. Rockets leave the atmosphere where wings would work within a few minutes anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but...most people's grandparents aren't going to be riding rockets. This isn't sustainable for widespread access to space. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Space planes carry along heavy-as-fuck wings, control surfaces and a lot of other bullshit that's only useful inside the atmosphere, and which massively increase fuel consumption for every single maneuver while your space plane is actually where you want it to do stuff - in space. And the only benefit is that the atmosphere helps lift and fuel your vehicle to about 10% of orbital velocity. The other 90% it will have to accelerate just like any other rocket. The SpaceX approach is much better: Land and reuse all parts of your rocket, but don't carry them with you further than where they're useful. Rockets leave the atmosphere where wings would work within a few minutes anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but...most people's grandparents aren't going to be riding rockets. This isn't sustainable for widespread access to space. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but...most people's grandparents aren't going to be riding rockets. This isn't sustainable for widespread access to space. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you really want countries like North Korea, Iran and China having access to software that would certainly be used for missile guidance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Why not. If everyone has it, everyone will be afraid to use it, because they know everyone else has it, but what they don't know is how many have developed a working prototype. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ehh, mutually assured destruction has worked so far, but there are some crazy assholes out there who might not act rationally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, that is true. permalink fedilink source parent [β] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Yes like in America gun violence never happens because everyone has guns. Hmmm permalink fedilink source parent
[β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Why not. If everyone has it, everyone will be afraid to use it, because they know everyone else has it, but what they don't know is how many have developed a working prototype. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ehh, mutually assured destruction has worked so far, but there are some crazy assholes out there who might not act rationally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, that is true. permalink fedilink source parent [β] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Yes like in America gun violence never happens because everyone has guns. Hmmm permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ehh, mutually assured destruction has worked so far, but there are some crazy assholes out there who might not act rationally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, that is true. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, that is true. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Yes like in America gun violence never happens because everyone has guns. Hmmm permalink fedilink source parent
