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[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Source code is protected under 1st amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol I don't think it's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is permalink fedilink source parent
[β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol I don't think it's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Source code is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR. But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent [β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else. There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you think software would be treated any differently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] WldFyre@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It is With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is permalink fedilink source parent
