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Hillary Clinton celebrates Donald Trump verdict with 'She was right' merch (www.irishstar.com)
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[–] [S] 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish. She gave us Trump. Irony.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    The DNC screwing Bernie and voter abstention gave us Trump.

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  • [–] [S] 51 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bill Clinton encouraged Donald Trump to run for President during a phone call before he decided to run for president

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/clinton-encouraged-trump-to-run-for-president_washington-dc/100233/

    How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately "elevated" Donald Trump with its "pied piper" strategy

    https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

    They Always Wanted Trump. Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Edit: Due to the vague implications of the above comments, I was under the impression that the claim was Clintons’ intention to get Trump elected. Many, many comments later, it was explained that the more rational claim of encouraging Trump to run was because they thought he’d be an easy opponent to beat. Maybe people should say what they mean, rather leaving vague, incomplete, bait comments for others to determine their own interpretations of insinuation.

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They used to be friends. Bill and Trump were golfing buddies.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    I’m aware they were friends. Bill and Trump hung out in the same circles, including Epstein’s island. I still don’t believe your conspiracy theory.

    The Clintons are capitalist conservatives posing as Democrats.

    Trump is an authoritarian dictator Russian puppet.

    They want to fuck this nation in entirely different positions.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Return2ozma: provides tons of mainstream sources demonstrating actual things that objectively happened according to people who have no reason to make it up

    This guy over here: "I still don't believe your conspiracy theory" 🤦

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win. I completely agree that Hillary leveraged Debbie to keep Bernie out of the spotlight to force a win of the primary. I’d also believe it’s possible that Bill tried to convince Trump to run in order to ease Hillary’s win in the Presidential election.

    Claiming that their goal was getting Trump elected is off the reservation cuckoobananas.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    None of those sources substantiate why they would want him to win.

    Nobody's saying that the Hillary campaign wanted Trump to be president. As for why they wanted him to be the nominee, there's no way that none of the sources say why.

    Especially since the Dem party leadership apparently learned nothing and are still using the same pied piper strategy to support far right candidates in Republican primaries for the exact same reason.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Excellent. That’s honestly how all of the implications read in Ozma’s, Anticolonialist’s, and your comments. Not a single one of you completed your thoughts, leaving open inference that I perceived as motive to get Trump elected. I’m glad you hear that’s not your claim.

    I can see how they’d ply Trump to run, and perceive him as an easy target in the election.

    That doesn’t change the source of the failure. No matter how much pressure Hillary put on Debbie, it was Debbie’s job to remain impartial. It’s a candidate’s job to try to gain favor from the convention, just as it’s the convention’s job to remain impartial.

    The blame for Trump’s presidency still falls on the shoulders of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the abstaining voters.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It’s a candidate’s job to try to gain favor from the convention, just as it’s the convention’s job to remain impartial.

    "No you don't understand, political candidates are supposed to be slimy and dishonest!"

    Your insufferable attitude aside, that's an insane position to take and it's ridiculous you said that without providing anything to defend it like it's common knowledge or something to be desired in a presidential candidate - especially after you were so anal about things that were explicitly spelled out for you and which you still struggled to understand

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    It’s the job of a candidate to self-advocate in every avenue. It’s the job of the committee to ensure a fair and impartial primary. Which one failed to do their job?

    I assume you also blame Netanyahu for taking your tax dollars instead of the government for providing them?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're not making sense, dude. And your analogy is wack, too.

    It's their job to break the rules/cheat? Is it a sportsball player's job to try and break their rivals' legs?

    Do you blame workers when they lose their jobs when factory jobs are shipped overseas?

    I'd be happy to place some blame on lazy/disinterested citizens, complicit corporate media networks, the effect of legalized bribery in politics, but to go the other way and actually say you support candidates doing whatever it takes to win is gross

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Your analogies don’t fit this scenario at all.

    Have you ever worked with a kiss-ass? Someone who constantly sucks up to the boss and is always trying to impress them, even if they’re not the best at their job? Imagine the boss giving that employee preferential treatment over the other employees. More breaks, days off, buys them lunch, etc.

    Who is wrong? The leader or the employee?

    A politician’s job during a campaign is self-promotion. Of course they would try to ply favor from their convention. It’s absolutely expected behavior from a person in that position. It’s the conventions job to say no and keep it fair.

    I’m not saying Hillary was ethical, but that Debbie was responsible.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's well known..

    Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

    By Donna Brazile, the former interim chair of the Democratic National Committee.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Yes. It’s well known that Hillary worked with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to keep Bernie out of the spotlight. Her goal was to force a win of the primary, not give the election to Trump.

    It’s the ethical responsibility of the convention, not the candidate, to ensure an impartial primary. It’s a candidate’s job to self-advocate. It’s the convention’s job to keep it fair and balanced.

    Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It was the Hillary campaign's decision to help elevate Trump to the nomination and give him as much media exposure as possible, thinking that it would make it easy for her to win.

    It was also them that ran one of the worst presidential campaigns in history, including telling people not to vote for her and neglecting to campaign in key swing states out of pure arrogant hubris.

    Inescapable conclusion to anyone who isn't a Hillary stan or otherwise a blind Dem party loyalist:

    Hillary and her campaign are more culpable for Trump infesting the white house than anyone else outside of the far right echo chamber and foreign agents.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So you reject the verified conspiracy of Debbie Wasserman Schultz intentionally shielding Bernie from the media prior to the primary, as well as the proof of exceptionally low Democratic voter turnout, in favor of a theory that claims the Clintons wanted a Russian conspiring real estate fraud to be President over Hillary.

    Do you get enough sun in your rabbit hole?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How many millions of votes did Bernie lose the primary to Clinton by? Five?

    I remember turning out for him, only to find reality drowned out by the online noise (read: misogyny) that still reverberates to this day. At the polling places? Crickets. The American public reaped what it sowed, and watching these conspiracy artists attempt to re-write history is little more than them climbing back into the hamster wheel. Vote.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    There is evidence that Trump has been to the island on multiple occasions via testimony by Epstein's brother.

    There is evidence that Clinton rode on Epstein's Plane to various AIDs relief sites in Africa.

    There is NO evidence that Clinton has ever been to the island.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The Clinton's gave us Trump, no one else

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    It’s easier to point fingers at her, but it’s not her job to keep the primary impartial. As I said above, it’s a candidate’s job to self advocate. It’s the DNC’s job to keep the primary fair and impartial.

    Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

    I’m guessing you’re blaming her while having abstained from voting in 2016?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hillary was a disappointment. Debbie was a failure.

    Debbie was a resounding success. She did the only thing she was there to do.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not according to her job description.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Her duties didn't change one bit when she left the DNC to work for the Clinton campaign.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    it would've been a completely alternative universe if we had Bernie from 2016 until 2024. He's too good for rotten america

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you purity testing fuckers would currently be calling him names because he dared to compromise with people who only believe 99.95% of what you do.

    Losing was the best thing to happen to Bernie. Now you can sanctify him because he's not in the limelight.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The DNC screwing Bernie

    In order to help whom?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Again, it’s well documented that Debbie was helping Hillary. It’s not Hillary’s job to be impartial, it’s Debbie’s. There’s a reason insurance companies won’t pay the claim if you’re robbed after leaving your doors unlocked. Candidates are expected to ask for preferential treatment. It’s the convention’s job to deny it. This was Debbie’s responsibility, and she failed to execute.

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