That's totally fair. I'll fully concede a huge part of why libertarians have a great track record on principles is because they've never BEEN in a position to compromise on them.

But you ask about track record, you mention multiple wars, you could have mentioned a ton of other things dem shot their foot off at...

We need more than two parties. Desperately. We don't have it so it's not worth talking about, but it doesn't change the need. But at the end of the day, the thing I can never get past, despite agreeing with dems on a huge number of things, is there's no guiding principle.

Libertarian NAP has a boatload of issues... But it's a starting point to be worked from that supercedes the party. It's incomprehensible to me running a cantidate who voted to get us into those wars, who opposed gay marriage, and we haven't even gotten to Biden yet.

Again, there is no choice in 2024. But the democratic party is entirely without principle. There is no way to shift it internally because it has no internal framework that lasts. I pray to a God I don't belive in it gets us through, but it also got us into this mess and for that it should go.