892
Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly (programming.dev)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/steam@lemmy.ml
283 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 143 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (44 children)

I am curious how this is going to effect the number of active players. I know a lot of people who were trying to get me to play this saying it was here to stay and not a trend like a Lethal Company but I feel like this hurdle might be enough to get them to give up.

I definitely have a low level of tolerance for Russian nesting dolls of accounts and launchers.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • hideshow 44 child comments
    •
  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    I’d be surprised if it really has much of an impact on number of players tbh.

    Most people don’t care, Lemmy/Reddit are a vocal minority.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 18 child comments
    •
  • [+] 110 points 2 years ago (12 children)
    [deleted]
  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
    •
  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    They fumbled a (bigger) bag with this whole dungeon master Joel meme. This will be the last straw for many.

    The player base is tearing itself apart with conservatives getting genuinely furious about the Creek incident and team-killing participants on sight while everyone else just wants to have fun playing the game.

    With things like these you need to lean HARD away from the idiot fascists in all media out of game. They did not, and are reaping the consequences.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
    •
  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What in the world happened? I played a lot in the first few weeks and remember the Creek situation as just being some people who played that planet constantly. How tf did real world politics come into that situation specifically?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There was a major order that barely failed because people were playing on Creek instead of defending supply lines.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [+] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)
    [deleted]
  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Out of curiosity, what was the Creek incident? The initial fight for Malevelon?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Vocal minority is the assumption when this sort of collective outrage manifests. This time though, thanks to Steam player count we will actually get some hard numbers and see if that has an effect or not.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    At current, there are 32k negative reviews. That's 32,000 people angry enough to go add or modify a review to be negative. The active player base is 100k. As far as "vocal minority" goes...

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Well, a number of countries will be forced out, simply because PSN is not available there. Especially the philipinos seem so be quite upset.

    PSN is available in 69 countries around the world. (Source: https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html)

    right now there are (roughly) 190 independent countries in the world.

    The whole of Africa (except for SA; thanks to u/ItzOnza), Egypt and even european countries like Belarus don't have PSN.

    The Baltics - states that are part of the european union - are also excluded.

    These people can't create accounts.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I bought the game on release week. I don't play often but when I do it's with friends. After hearing about this incident my plan was to wait a few days or a week to see how it resolves before deciding if I want to refund the game. However, enough of my friends have already refunded the game that, if they don't come back, I likely won't be playing much if at all anyway so I'll probably refund the game this week as well, especially if nothing changes.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    I signed into an old PSN account when I first downloaded the game near launch. It is in game. No launcher. I signed in once and forgot about it until right now. Not really a big deal. If your worried about security make some bogus email up and make an account that way. But other than signing in one time it hasn't been a deal. 🤷‍♂️

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Yeah, I used my old PS3 account. I didn't even think twice about it. I'm not sure why people are freaking out about it?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I play with a couple of friends in the Baltics. I have PSN. There is no PSN in the Baltics. So I guess I can't play with the friends I solely bought this game for.

    Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's silly to complain about this.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Can they not create a Playstation account regardless of PSN service availability?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    No because it is not available in their country, and making an account with a region different from your Steam account would have inherent EULA risks.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Hopefully Sony will see this as the biggest problem and do something about it. I don't think these people should have been able to spend money on this for it to be taken away, but that's a storefront issue as well. Steam and Sony will have to make some decisions about this, cause it wasn't thought out and implemented very well. They should've had some stronger safeguards.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I didn't get the game because it's packed full of all the terrible corporate stuff you see in terrible corporate games. Always Online, Rootkit anticheat, in-game store to purchase items when the game is already expensive. I doubt adding "must give your information to Sony" is going to be the tipping point for anyone who is fine with everything else.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
    •
  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Why does a fully cooperative game needs an anti-cheat software in the first place. I don't give a fuck about cheaters as long as its not competitive. Deep rock galactic for example works great without all of this bullshit.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    To prevent people from spawning in unreleased content that is in the game, giving their group the maximum cap of in-game currency, and so on. Tamps down on the boosting market.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    If i happen to encounter such stuff, i just leave. And for stuff like moneycheat that would affect my savegame, DRG for example provides a couple of backupsaves to roll back. So i can easily avoid being affected by cheaters and if others want to cheat, i just don't mind. But i would mind having to install a rootkit of questionable origin.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Exactly. That's why I play with cross play off on PS5, but I also think PC players shouldn't get locked out if they can't make an account in their country, so in my eyes that's the big fuck up. And it's Sony's fault, not Arrowhead. They should foot the community wrath and the remedy.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    Playing not online is miserable

    Waaaaaaa anti cheat

    The in game store requires zero to actual money and is probably the most fair one to date.

    Game is expensive (it's the standard price?)

    Jesus cry more about something you haven't even done.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [+] -45 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    This is not a hurdle, its a nuisance at best. It's stupid though.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I know at least two people who live in countries w/o PSN support and can't play now. This is a hurdle.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [+] -27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Crossplay is mandatory, and linking an account for crossplay was always mandatory, they had issues at launch, paused the requirement, and are now reestablishing it.

    Thats kinda on them, or for Steam for selling it in their location, but they probably bypassed that to get the game.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    From launch until now, creating a PSN account was optional due to technical issues. And while this wasn't properly conveyed to the playerbase, the game was sold in tons of regions where you straight up can't make a PSN account. Something like 50+ out of 123 regions where the game was sold cannot make PSN accounts. And using a VPN or lying about your region to make an account is a bannable offense.

    The privacy complaints I have more of an issue with since GameGuard, the DRM used, is just as much, if not more, of a privacy issue compared to Sony's horrible data security and invasive data harvesting. GameGuard has kernel level access to the entirety of your system while it's running, usually installs itself as an on boot up background process, and has been caught by anti-virus software editing files outside of the game directory.

    The first is a genuinely refund worthy issue, if not a class-action lawsuit in the making, while the second one is people being ignorant to how much data they're actually giving away.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent