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Joe Biden "drives me crazy"—Former Obama strategist David Axelrod (www.newsweek.com)
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[–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Those two are just ridiculous options. There is literally no one in the mainstream worth voting for, if one cares about integrity and gives two fucks about genocide.

But that does not have to be so. There can, and should, be third party options to vote for.

But whatever, you have your mind made up and that’s fine. Your point of view is valid and while I can not understand it, I can respect it.

Personally I always vote either green or socialist. If neither is available, then there’s probably a lot of room to be part of a change that will benefit everyone. But not everyone has the conviction or guts to be part of that change. And that is fine. I probably wouldn’t either. I’m only benefitting from those before me, who did, unlike you, actually believe in something and change things for the better.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    All you are doing is fucking yourself over, but, have fun throwing your vote away.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    I appreciate you taking time to respond and I understand your point of view. I guess I’m just an idealist, but I still feel it important for myself to believe in a better situation, even if in the short term things have to go worse for a bit. But I also appreciate that for a lot of people, there isn’t a lot of room left to go any worse, even in the short term. It’s a tough spot, for sure, and I sympathize with that with all my heart 🥺

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I was worked up before and I apologize.

    I understand and appreciate your explanation and I understand where your morals are. Thank you.

    I still do think you are wrong, and while your vote may seem righteous to you - it ultimately helps the greater of two evils.

    I still however respect your right to cast your vote in any which way you seem fit but would truly ask that you reconsider your current course.

    Biden is fucking up - but Trump will make our lives nightmares.

    Edit - additional thought: I don't actually think you are wrong. I think you should vote for those candidates on a local level. I have before and it's worked out.

    But when it comes to the federal level, you have to play by the rules in place in order to see even the slightest incremental chance.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it. I already answered to your other comment, in which I took this one into account too, as a combiner response, but I just wanted to stop by for a bit and let you know that in no way am I hostile against what you say, or think it bad. It’s the necessary evil, in a world full of larger evils, and I can appreciate the necessity of also protecting one’s self and surroundings in the short term too, especially as the world is such a fucked up place right now.

    I still stand by what I said, and I’m a bit too much of a stubborn cunt myself to bend my own knee when faced with the grim reality of having to choose any evils (as opposed to being the infuriating idealist that I am), but I just want to emphasize that I truly do see your argument and the value in it, and I’m not trying to diminish that, mostly I guess to just spread my idea of an alternative, not a replacement, if that makes sense? That there can be, and are, different ways to face these things, without one or the other being (in my opinion) necessarily better than the other. I think it’s valid to dream big and dare to challenge the status quo. But it is also very valid to want to protect everyone from the obvious harm that would come if not enough dream big to make a point or challenge the powers that be, but still enough to give the opposition the edge. It’s a real threat and I get where you are coming from, and I can feel for you there.

    But most importantly I respect the effort you took challenging my differing stances, especially this very comment you wrote later. I appreciate you, and wish all the best. Keep up fighting for what you believe. That way you are, in fact, the change you want to see in the world. Even if our views differ, you are making a difference. 🙏🏻

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