@BlackLaZoR the world is facing extinction level global warming and crossing various other planetary boundaries. Capitalism is literally destroying the foundations for human life on Earth

@BlackLaZoR the difference is that in a hierarchical system (like capitalism, where capital concetrates), those egoistic people tend to be at the top of society.

Capitalism is a horrible bad solution to dealing with egoistic people

@BlackLaZoR @vonbaronhans you might be egoistic, but don't assume people broadly to be so

@stabby_cicada I respect where this sentiment comes from, and I agree that for most gardeners, it would be better to do less. But we xant lose sight of the real prize: Learning how to exist with nature in mutually beneficial arrangements. That is, learning how to help nature with our activities, so that the more we intervene, the better nature thrives. An obvious example to me is planting trees

@IrateAnteater what are some good examples of somewhat successful movements with leaders?

@lemmylommy @wizardbeard all your examples are of peaceful protest. Is saving the climate important or is it not? If yes, then we need to become more radicalized

@IrateAnteater @wizardbeard I think it was crushed by police repression and contrary to what you believe, I believe not having figure heads was the main strength of the movement

@finitebanjo I can also do poetry: the State is a tool of organised Capital

@finitebanjo the government often steps in to clean up after (take on the liabilities of) private companies. Does it mean that all private companies are just government entities? Hardly. You are talking about some weird scenario, where housing coops leads to individuals ending up with a giant debt. It doesnt work like that in any European countries. Where are you living, and why don't you have better legal frameworks for housing cooperatives?

@finitebanjo yes, you are correct: At the very end of all legal frameworks you will find the source of the laws, which is of course the government. This is true of both private property owning landlords and of social housing cooperatives. What is your point?

@finitebanjo I don't know where you live, but it sounds like your legal frameworks for housing cooperatives are horrible. Perhaps you need better laws or government support. But there is no reason why we would need a landlord with a profit motive

@cosmicrookie @stabby_cicada I mean for example with housing cooperatives