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Will this undermine most of what makes IAmA special? Probably. But Reddit leadership has all the funds they need to hire people to perform those extra tasks we formerly undertook as volunteer moderators, and we'd be happy to collaborate with them if they choose to do so.

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[–] [email protected] 238 points 1 year ago (7 children)

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[Mod Post] The Future of IAmA : IAmA

To our users, AMA guests, and friends,

You may have noticed that, in spite of our history of past protests against Reddit's poor site management, this subreddit has refrained from protesting or shutting down during the recent excitement on Reddit.

This does not imply that we think things are being managed better now. Rather, it reflects our belief that such actions will not make any significant difference this time.

Rather than come up with new words to express our concerns, I think some quotes from the NYT Editorial we wrote back in 2015 convey our thoughts very well:

Our primary concern, and reason for taking the site down temporarily, is that Reddit’s management made critical changes to a very popular website without any apparent care for how those changes might affect their biggest resource: the community and the moderators that help tend the subreddits that constitute the site. Moderators commit their time to the site to foster engaging communities.

Reddit is not our job, but we have spent thousands of hours as a team answering questions, facilitating A.M.A.s, writing policy and helping people ask questions of their heroes. We moderate from the train or bus, on breaks from work and in between classes. We check on the subreddit while standing in line at the grocery store or waiting at the D.M.V.

The secondary purpose of shutting down was to communicate to the relatively tone-deaf company leaders that the pattern of removing tools and failing to improve available tools to the community at large, not merely the moderators, was an affront to the people who use the site.

We feel strongly that this incident is more part of a reckless disregard for the company’s own business and for the work the moderators and users put into the site.

Amazing how little has changed, really.

So, what are we going to do about this? What can we change? Not much. Reddit executives have shown that they won't yield to the pressure of a protest. They've told the media that they are actively planning to remove moderators who keep subreddits shut down and have no intentions of making changes.

So, moving forward, we're going to run IAmA like your average subreddit. We will continue moderating, removing spam, and enforcing rules. Many of the current moderation team will be taking a step back, but we'll recruit people to replace them as needed.

However, effective immediately, we plan to discontinue the following activities that we performed, as volunteer moderators, that took up a huge amount of our time and effort, both from a communication and coordination standpoint and from an IT/secure operations standpoint:

  1. Active solicitation of celebrities or high profile figures to do AMAs.

  2. Email and modmail coordination with celebrities and high profile figures and their PR teams to facilitate, educate, and operate AMAs. (We will still be available to answer questions about posting, though response time may vary).

  3. Running and maintaining a website for scheduling of AMAs with pre-verification and proof, as well as social media promotion.

  4. Maintaining a current up-to-date sidebar calendar of scheduled AMAs, with schedule reminders for users.

  5. Sister subreddits with categorized cross-posts for easy following.

  6. Moderator confidential verification for AMAs.

  7. Running various bots, including automatic flairing of live posts

Moving forward, we'll be allowing most AMA topics, leaving proof and requests for verification up to the community, and limiting ourselves to removing rule-breaking material alone. This doesn't mean we're allowing fake AMAs explicitly, but it does mean you'll need to pay more attention.

Will this undermine most of what makes IAmA special? Probably. But Reddit leadership has all the funds they need to hire people to perform those extra tasks we formerly undertook as volunteer moderators, and we'd be happy to collaborate with them if they choose to do so.

Thanks for the ride everyone, it's been fun.

Sincerely,

The IAmA Moderator Team (2013-2023)

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago

Yeah theres no point in mods making a community a special place when reddit is going out of their way to shit on the mods and users.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

thank you for posting this, it annoys me to no end the amount of "omg this happened now on reddit" posts that link to the source on reddit. Like that defeats the purpose of leaving the platform if I'm forced to go back anyway and give them traffic. Make a mirror, stop giving the site more traffic lol

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

It's pretty insane the amount of work they did for free. I never even thought about the effort that went into a sub like that. Good for them

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Wow the mods were really working hard to make IAMA a special place. Hope the drop in quality becomes clear ..

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Thank you for posting this. I still have RIF installed and refuse to download the reddit app, so I can't see the original post. Appreciate it.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

🍿🍿🍿 ...... How can you not love this?

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe I'm already out of touch but who cares what reddit is doing?

It's dead to me.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I agree but on the other hand the schadenfreude is delicious

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Some people like to watch the fire go out.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Welcome to !reddit. This is a community for all news and discussions about Reddit.

I would imagine everyone subscribed to !reddit does.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The people who coordinated celebrity AMAs did it for free...? That disgusting sisyphian labour was done for free? That might have been the most important work any mod team did from the perspective of Reddit's PR. How could Reddit be that ungrateful? They had it all

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, I can't fathom why people work for a for-profit company as volunteers, especially in time-consuming and high-profile jobs like this.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit didn't really use to feel like a for-profit platform. We always knew there was corporate somewhere far away in the background but otherwise the communities and mods were making the entire website.

We now know how foolish that was of course.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's because the official Reddit stance was that the communities themselves belonged to the moderators so it wasn't that you were doing with for Reddit, they were just providing you with a tool to build a community.

Of course that was clearly a lie, and as soon as moderators exercised their own power by protesting, with the support of their communities, Reddit was like "jk never mind, actually we own the communities and you're disposable".

I really don't understand why anyone would volunteer for a corporation for free, that doesn't pay you, doesn't care about you, and will drop you like hot garbage if it benefits them. There was a myth of ownership over the subreddits, but that myth is gone.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"has all the funds they need to hire people"

r/IAmA is really coming full circle

[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That is an understatement. I'm a former mod of r/iama (u/Brownboy13) and I was signing on to handle a high profile ama when Victoria messaged that she wouldn't be able to help us as she was let go without notice. Admin didn't even bother informing the guest that the employee handholding them through the process would no longer be available. We were caught entirely off guard and I don't think /r/iama has ever been the same. There was a level of trust the /u/chooter would be in the same room as a guest or at least on a call and make sure it was them answering and not pr teams. It's been like fucking pr junket since then.

This was the start of my disillusionment with reddit, and it seems to have been finalized with this last shitshow of a decision.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Wow, hard to grasp that was 8 years ago?!

I was never a user of IAMA, but I clearly remember how shitty reddit behaved in that situation.

I did delete my account later, and only lurked through links to my favorite subs for a few years. Now I have deleted my links too.

Reddit has devolved steadily for to many years, time to cut the cord completely.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would you be interested in running a new version of iAMA on Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, thank you. I'm done with putting in volunteer effort for these kinds of things. I transitioned to mostly lurking on reddit, and I'm likely to remain that way here as well. Modding requires too much of a time and effort commitment for something that I'll have nothing to show for depending on the whim of others.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Victoria is still very much missed

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

remember when spez tried to throw victoria under the fucking bus? pepperidge farm remembers

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder how long before we start seeing some plausible but fake AMAs

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IAMA Reddit CEO with a micro penis AMA

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hi, longtime fan here, is it a warm comforting feeling or more of a gross sticky and ashamed feeling when you pee on your own testicles?

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago

This is a great move. In the spirt of malicious compliance. Doing everything a moderator is expected and none of the added value stuff that makes ama’s valuable

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You made a misleading title. They basically won't be seeking out celebrities or those high value activities, and will just let the sub take its course while doing very basic modding.

Hope they come to lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't imagine the effort it must take to mod a sub like IAmA where you have daily posts with thousands of comments. They do it all for free and Spez insults them for it.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

Well this is the bare minimum because if Reddit wants to have direct control over subreddits they ought to pay moderators. The fact they will still moderate is still a concession that i think they should rethink. Literally if Reddit wants control over communities let them deal with all the hassle of moderation. Sometimes stuff end and it does not need to be a gracious end.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)

What's the point, just move out of reddit already and let it die

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what makes Lemmy amazing. "You're a mod who wants to get paid? Yeah join the club, we're losing money on server costs."

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man the hits just keep in coming.

I hope more big subs follow suit. But part of me knows many won’t.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

Yeah, this is what happens when you stop listening to people who prop up your organization.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was surprised they didn't participate in the blackout, but at least it's better late than never.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

This is the perfect change. Admin can't kick you out, all the high value is gone.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

unfortunately all of the work this team has done made this a big enough draw to justify paid professional mods. Anything that draws millions of views and engagement can be taken over by reddit. I doubt a single tear is being shed over full control being handed over to a paid reddit employee

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think the fact that reddit has never paid moderators in the past shows that they fear setting such a precedent. IAmA has always been a big draw for users and celebrities, yet they never put an employee in charge of it.

Once they start paying one set of moderators, other mods might start to expect something in return for their labor. This especially won't look good to investors who might otherwise like the business model of paying nobody for moderation.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I thought Victoria was shitcanneda while ago? Wasn't she the full timer who helped run that?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

let’s start an AMA community here on this instance

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

All mods of reddit should refuse to do it for free.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m all for compensating moderators but I think it should come with additional oversight, vetting, and higher expectations. There are many terrific moderators out there who absolutely deserve to be compensated for their efforts. However, there have been too many instances of power hungry mods who have had a negative effect on a community.

Either hire mods as employees so that they have oversight from management or make it so mods can be voted out. There needs to be some level of accountability.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Full text:

To our users, AMA guests, and friends,

You may have noticed that, in spite of our history of past protests against Reddit's poor site management, this subreddit has refrained from protesting or shutting down during the recent excitement on Reddit.

This does not imply that we think things are being managed better now. Rather, it reflects our belief that such actions will not make any significant difference this time.

Rather than come up with new words to express our concerns, I think some quotes from the NYT Editorial we wrote back in 2015 convey our thoughts very well:

Our primary concern, and reason for taking the site down temporarily, is that Reddit’s management made critical changes to a very popular website without any apparent care for how those changes might affect their biggest resource: the community and the moderators that help tend the subreddits that constitute the site. Moderators commit their time to the site to foster engaging communities.

Reddit is not our job, but we have spent thousands of hours as a team answering questions, facilitating A.M.A.s, writing policy and helping people ask questions of their heroes. We moderate from the train or bus, on breaks from work and in between classes. We check on the subreddit while standing in line at the grocery store or waiting at the D.M.V.

The secondary purpose of shutting down was to communicate to the relatively tone-deaf company leaders that the pattern of removing tools and failing to improve available tools to the community at large, not merely the moderators, was an affront to the people who use the site.

We feel strongly that this incident is more part of a reckless disregard for the company’s own business and for the work the moderators and users put into the site.

Amazing how little has changed, really.

So, what are we going to do about this? What can we change? Not much. Reddit executives have shown that they won't yield to the pressure of a protest. They've told the media that they are actively planning to remove moderators who keep subreddits shut down and have no intentions of making changes.

So, moving forward, we're going to run IAmA like your average subreddit. We will continue moderating, removing spam, and enforcing rules. Many of the current moderation team will be taking a step back, but we'll recruit people to replace them as needed.

However, effective immediately, we plan to discontinue the following activities that we performed, as volunteer moderators, that took up a huge amount of our time and effort, both from a communication and coordination standpoint and from an IT/secure operations standpoint:

Active solicitation of celebrities or high profile figures to do AMAs.Email and modmail coordination with celebrities and high profile figures and their PR teams to facilitate, educate, and operate AMAs. (We will still be available to answer questions about posting, though response time may vary).Running and maintaining a website for scheduling of AMAs with pre-verification and proof, as well as social media promotion.Maintaining a current up-to-date sidebar calendar of scheduled AMAs, with schedule reminders for users.Sister subreddits with categorized cross-posts for easy following.Moderator confidential verification for AMAs.Running various bots, including automatic flairing of live posts

Moving forward, we'll be allowing most AMA topics, leaving proof and requests for verification up to the community, and limiting ourselves to removing rule-breaking material alone. This doesn't mean we're allowing fake AMAs explicitly, but it does mean you'll need to pay more attention.

Will this undermine most of what makes IAmA special? Probably. But Reddit leadership has all the funds they need to hire people to perform those extra tasks we formerly undertook as volunteer moderators, and we'd be happy to collaborate with them if they choose to do so.

Thanks for the ride everyone, it's been fun.

Sincerely,

The IAmA Moderator Team (2013-2023)

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