Will this undermine most of what makes IAmA special? Probably. But Reddit leadership has all the funds they need to hire people to perform those extra tasks we formerly undertook as volunteer moderators, and we'd be happy to collaborate with them if they choose to do so.

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[Mod Post] The Future of IAmA : IAmA

To our users, AMA guests, and friends,

You may have noticed that, in spite of our history of past protests against Reddit's poor site management, this subreddit has refrained from protesting or shutting down during the recent excitement on Reddit.

This does not imply that we think things are being managed better now. Rather, it reflects our belief that such actions will not make any significant difference this time.

Rather than come up with new words to express our concerns, I think some quotes from the NYT Editorial we wrote back in 2015 convey our thoughts very well:

Our primary concern, and reason for taking the site down temporarily, is that Reddit’s management made critical changes to a very popular website without any apparent care for how those changes might affect their biggest resource: the community and the moderators that help tend the subreddits that constitute the site. Moderators commit their time to the site to foster engaging communities.

Reddit is not our job, but we have spent thousands of hours as a team answering questions, facilitating A.M.A.s, writing policy and helping people ask questions of their heroes. We moderate from the train or bus, on breaks from work and in between classes. We check on the subreddit while standing in line at the grocery store or waiting at the D.M.V.

The secondary purpose of shutting down was to communicate to the relatively tone-deaf company leaders that the pattern of removing tools and failing to improve available tools to the community at large, not merely the moderators, was an affront to the people who use the site.

We feel strongly that this incident is more part of a reckless disregard for the company’s own business and for the work the moderators and users put into the site.

Amazing how little has changed, really.

So, what are we going to do about this? What can we change? Not much. Reddit executives have shown that they won't yield to the pressure of a protest. They've told the media that they are actively planning to remove moderators who keep subreddits shut down and have no intentions of making changes.

So, moving forward, we're going to run IAmA like your average subreddit. We will continue moderating, removing spam, and enforcing rules. Many of the current moderation team will be taking a step back, but we'll recruit people to replace them as needed.

However, effective immediately, we plan to discontinue the following activities that we performed, as volunteer moderators, that took up a huge amount of our time and effort, both from a communication and coordination standpoint and from an IT/secure operations standpoint:

  1. Active solicitation of celebrities or high profile figures to do AMAs.

  2. Email and modmail coordination with celebrities and high profile figures and their PR teams to facilitate, educate, and operate AMAs. (We will still be available to answer questions about posting, though response time may vary).

  3. Running and maintaining a website for scheduling of AMAs with pre-verification and proof, as well as social media promotion.

  4. Maintaining a current up-to-date sidebar calendar of scheduled AMAs, with schedule reminders for users.

  5. Sister subreddits with categorized cross-posts for easy following.

  6. Moderator confidential verification for AMAs.

  7. Running various bots, including automatic flairing of live posts

Moving forward, we'll be allowing most AMA topics, leaving proof and requests for verification up to the community, and limiting ourselves to removing rule-breaking material alone. This doesn't mean we're allowing fake AMAs explicitly, but it does mean you'll need to pay more attention.

Will this undermine most of what makes IAmA special? Probably. But Reddit leadership has all the funds they need to hire people to perform those extra tasks we formerly undertook as volunteer moderators, and we'd be happy to collaborate with them if they choose to do so.

Thanks for the ride everyone, it's been fun.

Sincerely,

The IAmA Moderator Team (2013-2023)

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    [–] 90 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    🍿🍿🍿 ...... How can you not love this?

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I think the blackouts worked well enough. You can't go to 100% protest mode without raising awareness of the issue first. The blackouts accomplished that. There were many threads where people where people hadn't heard of the problem before the blackouts happened.

    Also you don't want to come off as the unreasonable ones in this sort of thing. You want everyone to see the Reddit leadership as the unreasonable party.

    Many activist movements have hurt themselves by going completely ballistic without most people knowing what's going on. Demanding EVERYTHING CHANGE NOW OR ELSE!!! Which results in most people thinking it's just a bunch of crazy people and ignoring them.

    So it's correct to escalate this over a course of weeks. I mean it's very unlikely no matter what anyone does Reddit isn't going to back down. But if mods went to DEFCON 1 on the first day, Reddit just bans the "crazy mods" and most people just think "well that was weird that a bunch of mods went nuts at the same time, oh well back to the memes."

    The end game was always going to be to migrate to another site. Sure there was a small possibility that the Reddit leadership would change, but that's a very slim possibility. But you gotta get caught trying, you have to exhaust all other possibilities before you can convince people to take the step to migrate elsewhere.

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    [–] 85 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    Maybe I'm already out of touch but who cares what reddit is doing?

    It's dead to me.

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    [–] 79 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    The people who coordinated celebrity AMAs did it for free...? That disgusting sisyphian labour was done for free? That might have been the most important work any mod team did from the perspective of Reddit's PR. How could Reddit be that ungrateful? They had it all

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah, I can't fathom why people work for a for-profit company as volunteers, especially in time-consuming and high-profile jobs like this.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago*

    Reddit didn't really use to feel like a for-profit platform. We always knew there was corporate somewhere far away in the background but otherwise the communities and mods were making the entire website.

    We now know how foolish that was of course.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's because the official Reddit stance was that the communities themselves belonged to the moderators so it wasn't that you were doing with for Reddit, they were just providing you with a tool to build a community.

    Of course that was clearly a lie, and as soon as moderators exercised their own power by protesting, with the support of their communities, Reddit was like "jk never mind, actually we own the communities and you're disposable".

    I really don't understand why anyone would volunteer for a corporation for free, that doesn't pay you, doesn't care about you, and will drop you like hot garbage if it benefits them. There was a myth of ownership over the subreddits, but that myth is gone.

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    [–] 73 points 3 years ago (29 children)

    "has all the funds they need to hire people"

    r/IAmA is really coming full circle

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  • [–] 116 points 3 years ago (20 children)

    That is an understatement. I'm a former mod of r/iama (u/Brownboy13) and I was signing on to handle a high profile ama when Victoria messaged that she wouldn't be able to help us as she was let go without notice. Admin didn't even bother informing the guest that the employee handholding them through the process would no longer be available. We were caught entirely off guard and I don't think /r/iama has ever been the same. There was a level of trust the /u/chooter would be in the same room as a guest or at least on a call and make sure it was them answering and not pr teams. It's been like fucking pr junket since then.

    This was the start of my disillusionment with reddit, and it seems to have been finalized with this last shitshow of a decision.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    Wow, hard to grasp that was 8 years ago?!

    I was never a user of IAMA, but I clearly remember how shitty reddit behaved in that situation.

    I did delete my account later, and only lurked through links to my favorite subs for a few years. Now I have deleted my links too.

    Reddit has devolved steadily for to many years, time to cut the cord completely.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Would you be interested in running a new version of iAMA on Lemmy?

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    [–] 68 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I wonder how long before we start seeing some plausible but fake AMAs

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  • [–] 62 points 3 years ago

    This is a great move. In the spirt of malicious compliance. Doing everything a moderator is expected and none of the added value stuff that makes ama’s valuable

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  • [–] 62 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You made a misleading title. They basically won't be seeking out celebrities or those high value activities, and will just let the sub take its course while doing very basic modding.

    Hope they come to lemmy.

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    [–] 51 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I can't imagine the effort it must take to mod a sub like IAmA where you have daily posts with thousands of comments. They do it all for free and Spez insults them for it.

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    [–] 48 points 3 years ago

    Well this is the bare minimum because if Reddit wants to have direct control over subreddits they ought to pay moderators. The fact they will still moderate is still a concession that i think they should rethink. Literally if Reddit wants control over communities let them deal with all the hassle of moderation. Sometimes stuff end and it does not need to be a gracious end.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    What's the point, just move out of reddit already and let it die

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    [–] 40 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is what makes Lemmy amazing. "You're a mod who wants to get paid? Yeah join the club, we're losing money on server costs."

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    [–] 39 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Man the hits just keep in coming.

    I hope more big subs follow suit. But part of me knows many won’t.

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    [–] 38 points 3 years ago

    Yeah, this is what happens when you stop listening to people who prop up your organization.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I was surprised they didn't participate in the blackout, but at least it's better late than never.

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    I think the fact that reddit has never paid moderators in the past shows that they fear setting such a precedent. IAmA has always been a big draw for users and celebrities, yet they never put an employee in charge of it.

    Once they start paying one set of moderators, other mods might start to expect something in return for their labor. This especially won't look good to investors who might otherwise like the business model of paying nobody for moderation.

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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago

    let’s start an AMA community here on this instance

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    All mods of reddit should refuse to do it for free.

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    [–] 22 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I’m all for compensating moderators but I think it should come with additional oversight, vetting, and higher expectations. There are many terrific moderators out there who absolutely deserve to be compensated for their efforts. However, there have been too many instances of power hungry mods who have had a negative effect on a community.

    Either hire mods as employees so that they have oversight from management or make it so mods can be voted out. There needs to be some level of accountability.

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    [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    Full text:

    To our users, AMA guests, and friends,

    You may have noticed that, in spite of our history of past protests against Reddit's poor site management, this subreddit has refrained from protesting or shutting down during the recent excitement on Reddit.

    This does not imply that we think things are being managed better now. Rather, it reflects our belief that such actions will not make any significant difference this time.

    Rather than come up with new words to express our concerns, I think some quotes from the NYT Editorial we wrote back in 2015 convey our thoughts very well:

    Our primary concern, and reason for taking the site down temporarily, is that Reddit’s management made critical changes to a very popular website without any apparent care for how those changes might affect their biggest resource: the community and the moderators that help tend the subreddits that constitute the site. Moderators commit their time to the site to foster engaging communities.

    Reddit is not our job, but we have spent thousands of hours as a team answering questions, facilitating A.M.A.s, writing policy and helping people ask questions of their heroes. We moderate from the train or bus, on breaks from work and in between classes. We check on the subreddit while standing in line at the grocery store or waiting at the D.M.V.

    The secondary purpose of shutting down was to communicate to the relatively tone-deaf company leaders that the pattern of removing tools and failing to improve available tools to the community at large, not merely the moderators, was an affront to the people who use the site.

    We feel strongly that this incident is more part of a reckless disregard for the company’s own business and for the work the moderators and users put into the site.

    Amazing how little has changed, really.

    So, what are we going to do about this? What can we change? Not much. Reddit executives have shown that they won't yield to the pressure of a protest. They've told the media that they are actively planning to remove moderators who keep subreddits shut down and have no intentions of making changes.

    So, moving forward, we're going to run IAmA like your average subreddit. We will continue moderating, removing spam, and enforcing rules. Many of the current moderation team will be taking a step back, but we'll recruit people to replace them as needed.

    However, effective immediately, we plan to discontinue the following activities that we performed, as volunteer moderators, that took up a huge amount of our time and effort, both from a communication and coordination standpoint and from an IT/secure operations standpoint:

    Active solicitation of celebrities or high profile figures to do AMAs.Email and modmail coordination with celebrities and high profile figures and their PR teams to facilitate, educate, and operate AMAs. (We will still be available to answer questions about posting, though response time may vary).Running and maintaining a website for scheduling of AMAs with pre-verification and proof, as well as social media promotion.Maintaining a current up-to-date sidebar calendar of scheduled AMAs, with schedule reminders for users.Sister subreddits with categorized cross-posts for easy following.Moderator confidential verification for AMAs.Running various bots, including automatic flairing of live posts

    Moving forward, we'll be allowing most AMA topics, leaving proof and requests for verification up to the community, and limiting ourselves to removing rule-breaking material alone. This doesn't mean we're allowing fake AMAs explicitly, but it does mean you'll need to pay more attention.

    Will this undermine most of what makes IAmA special? Probably. But Reddit leadership has all the funds they need to hire people to perform those extra tasks we formerly undertook as volunteer moderators, and we'd be happy to collaborate with them if they choose to do so.

    Thanks for the ride everyone, it's been fun.

    Sincerely,

    The IAmA Moderator Team (2013-2023)

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