A sad day for emulation and open source advocates, and a reminder that Nintendo can and will destroy you if they see fit.

Hopefully their works will live in the saved repos just as ReVanced was able to live on after YouTube shut the original project down.

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[–] 163 points 2 years ago (8 children)

It's a sad day. Fuck Nintendo.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Yuzu gave them the opening to sue though. If they had been more circumspect - "Oh this is to develop homebrew / indie games nudge nudge" then maybe Nintendo wouldn't have unleashed the lawyers or done so ineffectively. After all it wouldn't be Yuzu's fault if some wicked website corrupted their pure intentions by releasing device keys or patches that allowed their emulator run commercial games. But they were more blatant than that.

    Also from an empathic perspective, of course Nintendo were going to sue. Yuzu should have known they would since that's what console platforms do when something interferes with their profits. Yuzu is doubly bad since it interferes with hardware sales and game sales unlike custom firmware / cartridges which only affect game sales.

    Of course the genie is already out of the bottle. Yuzu's source code and binaries were on github for anyone to clone / fork. All the games are out in the wild. The piracy will carry on. I think it's fair to say the NSP is effectively dead as a platform at this point. If a NSP2 turns up this year, as rumored, then I expect it will have revised anti-piracy measures and potentially a heavy online service aspect to go with it - it's far easier to detect pirates and wield the banhammer when a device is online.

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  • [–] 81 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Each dev kit is $450. Being able to test on an emulator is free. Sure, you ultimately want to test on hardware, but indie dev teams aren't going to shell out that kind of money for each developer. Who gives a fuck about indie developers though, right?

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    [–] 74 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    So someone forked the GitHub right?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    Since there's now legal precedent, and GitHub already has the signatures of the project code, they will simply now close down any fork that matches the code signatures to avoid getting sued by Nintendo as well.

    Hopefully someone forked it to a completely different self-hosted GitHub-like instance or the other GitHub alternatives.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago

    Fuck off Nintendo.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    something something Streisand effect

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    Yuzu’s unprecedented success was it’s downfall.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Their decision to profit off the project was their downfall.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It may have also been the fact that they linked to instruction on how to rip prod.keys and system firmwares. Also their instructions on enabling running copyrighted ROMs - despite the fact that Ripping game ROMs and firmware is not (unfortunately arguably, due to licencing models and jurisdiction - you will own nothing and like it.) illegal so long as it's for personal use.

    They should've advertised it primarily as a testing and homebrew platform, and made sure not to make too much mention of the fact it can be used to play backups. Then they can at least play the ignorance card with more confidence.

    Even then though, multi-billion yen company Nintendo probably would still pull this shit and drag, drag, drag the lawsuit out for forever and a day- draining lawyers fees of money. That being the case, settling is unfortunately the only option.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    I do wonder if this is specifically what got them, would probably take a lemmy lawyer to unpack it, but I would have to imagine if they didn't have a patreon and basically a company, it would have been much harder for Nintendo to do anything about them. And I would also imagine in retrospect whatever money they got was not worth it when it ends like this.

    I always assume when people operate services like this, that they host it in a country like Russia that's less likely to care about takedowns by western corpos and done anonymously as possible. Even though it's just an emulator, you would think they wouldn't be so brazen as to have a patreon which I'm sure requires someone's identity/billing info. They probably still could have been tracked down if they took crypto donations or something like that, but you would think that would be the first choice over putting a giant target on their backs. Patreon is obviously just gonna hand over whatever info they are asked to give when served a warrent, and so is Discord for that matter if they had any personal info on there too.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Hopefully, it wasn't the success of Yuzu but the fact it was being developed by an established company which was accepting over $30,000/mo in donations for "internal" builds.

    It's a lot easier to pressure a company that you know has a bunch of income, is firmly established in a country that recognises US copyright law, and makes a lot of money particularly on a legally contested technology.

    They've gone after Dolphin before, but that's still up and going. If Ryujinx or some other Yuzu rewrite (a soft fork would be v easy to take down imo) goes down then I'll be proven wrong here

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Here's a fork of Citra that can connect to the official nintendo network, still avilable now, by the person who made CTGP7 (custom tracks and characters in MarioKart 7), and here's the one for Yuzu. I think these are gonna be the main forks because they already have quite a lot of activity. It's cool that Citra and Yuzu were open-source so things like this can be made!

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Where'd they get 2.3 million from?

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  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Someone else mentioned in a comment that the LLC behind Yuzu may file for bankruptcy to avoid paying Nintendo anything

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Tbh I think they were smart to incorporate. It might have drawn a larger target on their backs (though patreon's target probably dwarfed it), but it also meant that individually they were financially protected from Nintendo. They'll probably still have to pay Nintendo whatever their corporation currently has even if they declare bankruptcy, but at least the devs aren't having their wages garnished until the end of time.

    If they do attempt to declare bankruptcy, let's hope Nintendo doesn't try and sue them again to pierce the corporate veil.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    This is almost word for word what I said in another friend group today. Protecting individuals is literally why LLCs exist. It's what "LLC" stands for.

    Nintendo Hyper Beam'd them into oblivion but they got a Substitute up first. The defense strategy was smart. The strategy that put them in the position of needing to use the defense strategy was idiotic, yes, but the defense was smart.

    Short of Nintendo doing nothing at all, this is probably the best outcome that could have realistically happened.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Although it works out for these developers I hate that people can do this to avoid the full consequences of their actions.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I hate this too. But - what if we start using this ability to our advantage, just like these guys did? Corps use it, let’s also abuse it so they can’t destroy us without also waiving their rights. LLCs are the privacy abstraction layer of the real world. I figured that even registering your own personal domain is much safer when done through your own LLC than on your personal name. The examples are many.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yuzu claims to have earned 30k from patreon, where they give their most recent builds with the most bug-fixes & optimizations.

    The switch has been out for 7 years. Most they could've earned then would be 210k, and even doubling it wouldn't get close to 2 million

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They've been earning 30k USD per month according to their patreon page. I've read in a comment that they've doubled their supporters at the time TOTK was leaked.

    Interestingly 30k USD per month over 7 years is 2.5m USD, which is pretty close to the 2.3m USD settlement.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Wait I didn't get it yet.... Anyone theoretically know of another who knows another who may be able to send me a file related to or unrelated to the given subject?

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Citra has a core on retroarch, I am hoping that it will stay up

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  • [+] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    My already-installed copy of these softwares won't go anywhere, Nintendo. Get bent.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    So who is gonna create an anonymous account and fork the repo and website?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    More people would purchase the games if they weren't 60€ MSRP each regardless of size and quality.

    I used to emulate switch games to test them as a free trial first, then I would buy them in second hand for half the price (which is still a lot, 30€ for a nintendo game versus 14€ for Nichijou volume)

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    [–] [B] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

    https://piped.video/watch?v=gIv0AuKe01A

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    This fiasco demonstrates why open source is the superior software model.

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