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[–] 202 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

This is a new satire site, right? These days it's getting harder and harder to differentiate between reality and fiction in tech. The rest of their posts are pretty much spot on.

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    It’s a good thing that Engineer is a protected profession and not everyone can claim it, like Lawyer or Doctor.

    In the US now it’s “oh you’re an engineer? Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?”

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I disagree, I believe the regulatory agencies do nothing in Canada to legitimize their claim to regulating software development. Heck, they do nothing for electronics or semiconductors or anything smaller than the power grid.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Software development is done by developers. If you are a software engineer chances are you’re working on software infrastructure that actually apply at scales that are not “add a shopping cart to this blog”.

    There are reasons you ask a civil engineer for work.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You missed my point that if professional engineering societies in Canada want to take ownership of software and electronics, they better do something and not just say they're regulating it and sit on it with no clear definition for what it even is.

    If they were doing their job, we wouldn't need to debate what a software engineer is. They've let us down and they're getting away with it.

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    [–] 104 points 2 years ago* (49 children)

    Funny enough, I probably did more software engineering as a web dev than I did as a software engineer at some companies.

    In the UK, at least, the only difference typically between a web developer and a software engineer is £15-20k in salary. Frankly, we're all software engineers...

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    What are dev/engineer salaries like in the UK? Been considering places to move to...

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    [–] 84 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    The only real software engineer anymore is Linus Torvalds, everyone else stands on the shoulders of giants.

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    they should also ban web developers who refer to themselves as ninjas, especially code ninjas

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I have a CS Masters degree and it says engineer on it.

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago (47 children)

    can we ban web developers who call themselves "developers"?

    also php programmers who call themselves anything?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nah, no need for this kind of gatekeeping. Anyone who deals with js and its billions of frameworks on a daily basis deserves to be called a developer.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I'm a full-stack web developer and am involved all the way through including cloud infrastructure, API development, database creation/maintenance, test automation, architecture etc.

    I guess what makes a "developer" in your context different? Embedded? Kernel?

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean who cares? But also why? My old job title was "software engineer" and I just did web dev.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Honestly, nobody should call themselves an engineer unless they literally drive trains for a living.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Driving a train is engineering?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    In North America, the driver of a train engine is called an "engineer", yes.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I see, TIL. That's different from Germany, where Ingenieur is a protected term.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    In the railway context an engineer was the person who worked the engine.

    In German the word comes from Latin roughly meaning inventor. Presumably the general usage of the word engineer in English has the same etymology.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean, engineering is really problem solving, and not do we web developers solve problems. We may have made most of them ourselves, and new ones when we solve those, but we do solve problems.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    As long as they don't start building tunnels under their house because they're an 'engineer'...

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago*

    As a non-software engineer, feels weird that they're making this distinction.

    I don't have much to do with engines either.

    I take engineer to mean: designs stuff that does some task, involving SOME kind of calculation.

    Visual designer: not an engineer

    Piping designer: not an engineer (although this one felt weird, that's what the piping designer corrected me to say, so)

    Chemical engineer: ya

    Mechanical engineer: yeah

    Software engineer: totally different flavour, but still yeah

    Language is what we want it to be.

    Web designers presumably still need to script things, I reckon that counts 👍

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I get this is satire but people truly believe this. Web devs literally create software that runs nearly every facet of modern life.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Now this is the kind of 'news' I'd like to see posted on hackernews just to read their techbro shit takes.

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