Since rpis have been almost impossible to find, I've been looking around for alternatives for some local self hosted services like home assistant. A lot of boards seem to talk about GPU, GPIO pins, etc. But I really just want a single board, fanless (low power), decent CPU and RAM, ethernet.

Any recommendations?

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[–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

This is slightly different, but in this rpi drought, I've set up proxmox on an old laptop and have several VMs/LXC/containers running on it. It fills that same role for me. I don't know exactly what the power cost comparison is, but it's gotta beat several rpis running simultaneously.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you don't care about GPIO/serial lines, frankly buy a small NUC or a used Thinkcentre M93p. Used, you can find them for very cheap (£100 in my case), they are powerful enough for your needs, you can have an actual SSD storage, and you will avoid the odd issue with a software not working on ARM (less and less the case but still worth taking into account).

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    The Orange Pi 5 or Orange Pi 3 LTS are solid options, depending on your budget and how much horsepower you need.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    rock64 works pretty good for my use case as a 700 mbit router.

    I've heard good things about the rockpi.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I've got a Rock64 running OpenMediaVault with about 6-10 Docker containers. Works great and the power consumption is very minimal (~1A).

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That’s honestly pretty impressive. Well done.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Thanks! It's installed on my sailboat, so the primary concern was efficiency from a power perspective. I wanted something I could run off 12V DC with the lowest possible power consumption that would still do the job.

    I've got it running the Jellyfin/Radarr/Sonarr/Sabnzbd stack for media server purposes and PiHole for DNS. Even with DDclient and Wireguard containers running, the CPU utilization at idle averages around 25%.

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    [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    The OrangePi 5 is one of the better options right now. Starts at $80 for a 4GB (RAM) model and goes all the way up to a 32GB model. CPU is roughly twice as good as an rpi 4, so if you want you can underclock it with no fan and get solid perf still

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    [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    hp t530 or dell wyse 3040 or 5070 thin clients

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    Old laptop or PC. I use an intel NUC for mine. Hosting 30 docker containers

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  • Lots of cheep SFF/thin client machines on eBay.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    It’s not that difficult to get a Pi 4. I wrote a python script that scraped rpilocator’s rss feed every 5 minutes and would notify my phone when one was available in the US. It went off basically every day around 8:30am PST when Adafruit would drop 100+ Pi4s. I’ve picked up two in the past week (one for my Voron printer and another for a RetroPi cabinet). They did sell out fairly fast.. in about 10 minutes or so.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Sorry I have to laugh at this. If you have to write a script for it even if the script is easy there’s no way I can consider it “not hard”. Not hard is just being able buy it like anything else.

    I get what you’re saying though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The thing is that right now it's not worth it to buy a raspberry pi if you want to selfhost. It is 4 years old at this point but it cost 50% more than when it was released.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    I bought a £20 thin client off of eBay to use as a simple file/Emby/pihole and Pivpn server running Ubuntu Server LTS for my home lab

    Works great.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Of the alternatives available, Libre Computer, Pine64 and Orange/Banana Pi all offer options that fit what you're looking for. You can generally find these on Amazon, eBay etc at a reasonable price.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    a cheap second hand laptop will be both faster and will have better wattage and what is basically an internal UPS

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    [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    Aliexpress has some reasonably affordable fanless mini PCs. Not quite as low power but you can run a heap of containers on them since they are more powerful and x86 and some of them have multiple ethernet ports which can be useful for router purposes etc

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    Thin Clients are the way to go! I got a Dell Wyse 5010 for cheap on ebay and replaced the internal 8 GB DOM memory with a 1TB SSD so it's basically a NAS now.

    It does take a little DIY (video) but after that it runs more performant than RPis I've had in the past

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    I don't need to run amd64 containers, so I like the Orange Pi 5 for raw ARM compute. For $149 you can get one with 16GB of RAM, an NVMe slot and 8 cores, all for < 15 watts.

    If you're looking for something to be a disk server, the Odroid HC4 doesn't have as many cores or RAM but it does have 2 SATA slots in a toaster configuration.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I gave up on using raspberry pi for running servers.

    I ended up buying a $60 lenovo on ebay https://www.servethehome.com/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-tiny-guide-and-ce-review/2/ and then loaded it up with 32GB of ram. Now I run a proxmox hypervisor and around 20+ containers/VMs. Best decision I ever made. I just spin up servers willy nilly

    If you don't need GPIO then run a hypervisor. Cheaper than SBCs and more useful.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I use a pi for servers because of the assumption that it uses very little power to run (compared to say, an old unused laptop), is that not the case?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Get a mini pc/NUC with an intel j4125 or better and it will be a great little streaming powerhouse for jellyfin. Usually can grab one for < $150

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    Thin client! They're significantly more powerful than a pi and you can grab them for nothing on eBay and you can use the nvme slots for storage, I've had sd cards go bad in pis

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Lewis from Everything Smart Home dropped a video a few weeks back, telling us about the Zimaboard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr7vo9NAWfo low power, fanless, single board etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    After running Plex off a pi for like 6 years I think I'm finally about to graduate to a old PC in my closet

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Why are rpis hard to find? Are they not making as many anymore?

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    [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I have an Odroid c2 for that purpose. Low power but powerful enough to be used for home automation. The c2 is a bit older so there are probably newer versions. https://www.hardkernel.com/

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    [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Hi SirPyschoMantis,

    I'm certainly no expert but just recently started a similar project you are describing. I went with a used HP ProDesk 400 G2 mini. It has a i5-6500t, 8GB and 250GB ssd.

    I run Ubuntu server on it with docker. It's compact and capable of running a bit more then a Raspberry Pi I believe.

    When searching for a Pi alternative I also came across a similar mini pc from Dell. Thats was a Dell OptiPlex 3040 SFF.

    I'm from the Netherlands and used prices here were around 100-150 €.

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