Worse than Buchanan, worse than Jackson, worse than Nixon, worse than Reagan

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[–] 135 points 2 years ago (19 children)

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Jan 6th made him the worst, say what you want about Buchanan or Jackson but at least they did their atrocities within the system they were elected to uphold.

"Say what you want about genocides, at least they weren't Jan 6"

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A tacit admission that liberals construct their morality around what the state deems acceptable

    It a worldview like that, a half-hearted insurrectionist riot becomes worse than countless massacres and dispossessions

    A literal upside-down ideology

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago

    A literal upside-down ideology

    A privilege held by those safe from the state violence that's levied against others that they carelessly protect; the moment they get a taste of this violence (and I hope they do), now they want reasonability and humanity and they start being rational. An infantile view of life is a privilege of the safe.

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    [–] 98 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Bush doing a judicial coup and succeeding is far more disruptive of social norms than Jan 6th was. Bush's invasion of Iraq was more destructive than any of Trump's decisions.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The only hatred deeper than what I have for George W Bush is one that would lead me to throwing my life away to end his. I hate him even more for unlocking this degree of hate. There isn't a word in any human language for my contempt for that loathsome wretch and it's probably good that we as a species cannot conceptualize this level of hate in words. I have Ahab hatred for him and even though ill for sure outlive that despicable cur, with my last breath I will curse his name as he lays dead and that is an absolute promise.

    And I. Canadian, imagine how someone from Iraq might feel.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    Something I've learned from talking with people from oppressed groups, is that vengeance and hatred in their hearts is often overcome with a desire to salvage the remainder of their life and overcome their past.

    Vengeance, malice, and retribution are poisons and echoes of victimizer that deforms and mutilates the oppressed and we must all live with purpose and humanity.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, do you want to measure how bad a president was in terms of his "decorum" or "violation of norms", or how "respectable" they were? Or number of human deaths caused by their policies?

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There were presidents who were literal slaveowners but okay

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Experts say being too online is worse than owning slaves

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    [–] 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    experts who only know about the 21st century, apparently

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Disagree. Millions dead is nothing compared to attempting to destabilize the world's most powerful democracy. That could lead to untold global suffering. Millions would have died of covid even if he had responded well (and had not axed the pandemic response thing back in like 2018). Trump's response was bad, and he definitely had an impact, but not as much as you might think.

    xi-plz

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Trump's response was bad, and he definitely had an impact, but not as much as you might think.

    Unironically true, millions of Americans would've died of covid under any realistic American president. There's literally no circumstance in which an American leader puts forward actually good covid policy, and in which the American people actually follow said policy.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Broke: Trump is the worst president because norms.

    Woke: Buchanan or Andrew Johnson were the worst since they betrayed their country to uphold slaver power.

    Bespoke: Jimmy Carter is the worst since the neoliberal turn and the Volcker Shock destroyed the economies of the 3rd world and set back the global movement towards liberation and socialism back by a 100 years.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trump is not even close to Reagan and Bush, what the fuck are they talking about.

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago

    Not even the worst of my lifetime mission-accomplished

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    I'm open to arguments for the worsitude of other presidents,

    but fuck Johnson got to define the reconstruction era practically by himself -- a country not even a full damn century old yet, blown apart by civil war, and he decides to save the southern plantation aristocracy WHAT THE FUCK what the fuck would world history look like without either Booth or him in the VP slot, it's fucking unimaginable --; I damn well want to see those timelines, I desperately desire to know the weight and magnitude of that little shitstain's life on the fabric of causality. I don't believe in hell, but he makes me wish i could.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    right before the 2020 election, Chomsky predictably got liberal press attention by saying trump is worse than hitler... for climate change denial. Uhhhh ok

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    Experts are incredibly dumb then.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Harrison's term was basically a three hour speech and then dying. I don't think you can get much worse at being a president

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    worst president in history

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    Why people will eventually stop listening to "experts" on things they are actually right on.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    The president that rips off the mask and abandon the facade of moral and idealistic policing of the world makes people feel bad about being an exploitative and genocidal nation.

    It's one thing to excuse all other presidents as bumbling into disasters of untold scale, but it is another when the tv show host does it on purpose.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    What a ridiculous, meaningless designation.

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