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Reddit Signs AI Content Licensing Deal Ahead of IPO (www.bloomberg.com)
submitted 2 years ago by [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Reddit Signs AI Content Licensing Deal Ahead of IPO::Reddit Inc. has signed a contract allowing a company to train its artificial intelligence models on the social media platform’s content, according to people familiar with the matter, as it nears the potential launch of its long-awaited initial public offering.

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[–] 157 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Seems pretty clear why the apis were shut down for apps

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    They were transparent about it. AI and gatekeeping the user generated comments was the deciding factor to close the API and that's what they told the public.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    IIRC that was not the case. They very publicly blamed 3rd party apps, which was both disingenuous and not transparent.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Reddit Wants to Get Paid for Helping to Teach Big A.I. Systems - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/technology/reddit-ai-openai-google.html

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I can't speak to the article that you've posted several times due to the paywall, but I can speak to the language and the antagonistic attitude they actually used during the entire debacle. Placing explicit blame on third party apps like Apollo, Sync, Boost, etc.- that was the argument used. It doesn't matter what the real reason was. They were publicly placing blame on small fish instead of the AI monster that was stealing all of their content and bandwidth

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    I understand. But I think from the get go of the announcement of closing the API's, Reddit had always discussed not wanting to be harvested by AI tech for free. The point is they saw the value of their user content, and wanted to establish a model to profit on that. This announcement is just that; they now have something in market to allow AI to be trained on it's user generated content.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is absolutely not the case. They stated a lot of different reasons, ranging from “these freeloading third party developers are making money off our hard work and should be paying” to “we’ve been doing this for free and it costs us a lot of money.”

    What you’re thinking of, is the fact that everyone was well aware of the truth, and the fact that they were just butt hurt about the fact that AI was being trained on the data and they didn’t get a cut.

    So they did the same thing, and just fucked everyone over.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    If it was just about monetizing scraping for AI models, they could have easily had different pricing for AI uses than they did for 3rd party apps.

    If it was about the lost revenue from the lack of ads on third party apps, they only needed to give existing 3rd party apps a longer period of time to transition their business models. 3rd party app users would have been paying way more than Reddit was losing from the lack of ads.

    No Reddit wanted to kill off the third party apps. They used the AI scraping as an excuse to shut them down. They wanted to force people onto their shitty app.

    I don’t know what their actual reasoning for that is, but there’re basically two possibilities I can think of:

    1. Their executive team and board of directors is ridiculously incompetent.

    2. Their shitty 1st party app is harvesting significantly more data about you than the 3rd party apps did, and they can sell that data for more than the $2-5 per user per month they would be getting if they gave the 3rd party apps time to transition to a paid business model.

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    • [–] 100 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Long-awaited, said no one. Is AI going to fabricate even more of the bullshit on reddit then?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Is this dead Internet theory?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You want to see dead internet theory, go browse top all time on any subreddit that used to allow submissions from gfycat. It's a wasteland.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Problem is Reddit content and votes aren't all human so unless they kept a record of which parts are just chatbots and which votes were faked its not exactly useful to train on in a pure sense.

    Considering the disinformation wars and botnets between the big countries its hard to even get a idea of what people really think and what is bullshit and what isn't.

    In any case I'm glad reddit has fucked themselves. This small corner of sanity is a bastion in a shit blizzard.

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    • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I've been on reddit, I don't know that I would like to use a LLM trained on much of the content there (excluding tech/DIY space)

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Reddit is actually pretty decent for training llms. Funny enough an ai finetuned on 4chan does better in intelegence benchmarks.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Source? Or BS?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sorry truth benchmarks not intellegence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM

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  • [+] 8 points 2 years ago* (4 children)
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    • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Now I wish I could remember what the nonsense I replaced all of my content with before I deleted my account.

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    • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    They say it's $60 million on an annualized basis. I wonder who'd pay that, given that you can probably scrape it for free.

    Maybe it's the AI act in the EU. That might cause trouble in that regard. The US is seeing a lot of rent-seeker PR, too, of course. That might cause some to hedge their bets.

    Maybe some people had not realized that yet, but limiting fair use does not just benefit the traditional media corporations but also the likes of Reddit, Facebook, Apple, etc. Making "robots.txt" legally binding would only benefit the tech companies.

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Hmmm anyone remember when Andrew Yang was running for president and said that data was the new oil and that people should own the content they put on social media?

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    [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I deleted all my posts before closing my accounts back when they were breaking third-party apps, although I'm sure they probably kept a private log of all posts specifically for this purpose.

    To be honest, I expect AI companies are scraping Lemmy and other places for training data anyway, but I'd rather Reddit specifically not make any money off my posts.

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    [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    So what's the best way to scrub your reddit comments and posts?

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    • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I made enough Reddit comments that they could probably make a solid imitation of me

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