Teacher here. I can absolutely see it in the attention spans of my students over the last few years vs those from even 5 years ago
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that's so sad.
Within the constraints of the job it might be impossible to implement any changes, but do you have any ideas how to keep students engaged for long term projects when they have these 2min-tik-tok attention spans? I'm asking as someone who sees this behaviour in younger colleagues that I try to educate as a senior... :D
So what I've found is that they need to be interested in doing whatever. As soon as it's "boring" they lose interest. In other words, nope, not a clue. Maybe earning a paycheck will help your colleague realize the importance, but I don't have any ideas that have worked. I try to make my lessons engaging, but I'm not a TikTok influencer, so ...
maybe our generation (if we're even the same, lol) could just hide our boredom better :D But deep down we all needed that teacher who could keep us engaged... but who knows... :)
You called yourself a senior. I'm in my early 40s, so I doubt it. Engagement tricks that used ti work in the past don't seem to work anymore. That's the problem.
TL;DR /s
i think the way you get served videos also plays a big part. on short form, you have to keep scrolling to find a video that interests you. whereas on long form you get to decide what to watch beforehand, from a bunch of recommendations
This makes sense, I read somewhere recently that there actually is no evidence that people’s attention span is getting shorter, it’s just crap people say.
For sure. It's the reason why I refuse to use apps that autoplay videos, including default reddit app, Twitter. I have YouTube Revanced which strips out the Shorts button and the section from the app itself. On desktop, I use an extension to remove shorts as well. However I'm way more addicted to consuming information. Text is where its at, (Tildes, HN, comments all over) maybe slightly less harmful compared to video but it's not good for sure.
That's a great observation - indeed, I experience the same occurrence with my attention span. Limiting the consumption of social media helps.
I was going to reply with something else but I my attention span is too short
Do you watch TV? Then you still watch videos that are 30 mins or longer. The difference is the format and quality of those videos are better at capturing your attention, that's all. An hour long YouTube video that ISN'T structured like a TV show of some sort (like sketch comedy, news show, or a documentary) is just going to be a boring, terrible product.
I think there's a temptation to think of "YouTube videos" as being that most common 2 to 10-minute talking head format. But you can't just expand that format out to an hour and have it continue to be as engaging. It needs to morph into a different kind of production.
Here's one of my favorite hour long YouTube videos from a great teacher named Nick Center:
He's so engaging that it doesn't feel anywhere near an hour long.
Here's 40 minutes of Pedro Pascal and Steven Yuen just...talking to each other: https://youtu.be/Ii_DYJkziGo
Anything by Bobby Broccoli
Just some of the actually good long-format YouTube videos I love to watch
I will admit to less patience for long videos & articles, but honestly I think there are good reasons for it. I've come to recognize when people are trying to stretch a topic and fill the void with useless puffery.
With a thriving competitive market for information video and long-form journalism, you can't keep pulling that shit and expect people to sit through it, when the right arrow key is bit a few inches away from my hand.
I was a TikTok user for a couple of months, one night I noticed that I had spent a couple of hours just watching these stupid videos and not remembering anything. Since then I have uninstalled the app and felt better.
I started to feel that, and I felt like I was more impatient and irritable. Not claiming this is evidence, just my own intuition. So I don't watch YT Shorts.
Also no TikTok, Reels, or any other clones of those.
2-10 minute videos are the worst. The information takes forever to get to and is super shallow, and most of them are going to be an advertisement for the youtuber I'm currently watching. A 30 minute video is fine. An hour long video, I'll watch happily. Hell, I've watched movie-length videos on cool subjects with no problem.
But if I have to sit through 90 seconds of "smash that bell, thanks to my new subscribers whose screen names I'm going to read one at a time" before getting a nugget of content that can't be more than a few seconds to a couple of minutes long, yeah, I have no attention span for that shit.
Sounds like you are just watching the wrong videos? My favorite YouTube content is almost exclusively 5 - 15 minute videos. Not to say that your taste is bad; just that maybe the type of video content you like doesn't lend itself to shorter videos. But there are certainly a lot of great short videos too.
I guess. I'm watching YouTube to learn stuff, either documentary stuff or DIY stuff. But I'll be honest, other than funny skits that stopped being funny to me years ago, I can't imagine what kind of content would be interesting in a 2-3 minute burst.
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