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Whinging about whinging. The spirit of Reddit lives on.

According to some of the posts in here, apparently, wanting to ban Nazis from your instance and refusing to rebroadcast their toxic shit is being "entitled"...

Completely agree, this whole entitled attitude about "we left reddit because censoreship hurr durr, now u do same thing, you have to do what we tell you" is really annoying..

Nobody is censoring you, you are free to join and visit whatever instances you want and watch their content.. You can even host your own instance where you federate with whoever you want, you have free access to the code.. But nobody is forced to host ANY content they don't want on the server THEY themselves pay for..

The people screaming about free speech for bigots & fascists seem to neglect the free speech of the instance owners and admins.

They're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. Paying for bandwidth and servers. Donating their time to create the software, work out the kinks, and moderate the communities so we don't strangle each other.

From their perspective: Would you want to use your money and time to rebroadcast Nazism or similarly toxic ideology? Because that's what they're being asked, and most of them say "HELL NO!" When the chuds are demanding that these people rebroadcast such crap, it's like they're asking these admins to do a Hitler salute with them.

This is their space. They have free speech rights too. That's what curation is, free speech. You send a message by the choice of messages you rebroadcast or refuse to rebroadcast.

Reminder that defederation is an explicit feature implemented into fediverse platforms. It is meant to be used as the instance sees fit. The notion that you can never defederate with anyone defeats the purpose of the fediverse, we might as well make one huge centralized platform in that case.

No other instance owes you a federation to your instance. The fediverse's whole philosophy is that instances get to configure both who they federate with and who federates with them.

Finally, there is a certain irony in the people screaming "freedom" and "free speech" telling admins of private instances what they can and can't do with their own platform.

asks people to quit whining

whines

Anyway, I don't really care about defederation enough to switch instances. But even if I did, you can't deny that it's annoying. When Lemmy introduces some nice way of migrating to other instances with userdata intact, then your rant will make sense. Without that, I don't think it's wrong if people complain.

I knew nothing about inter-Lemmy-instance-politics when I made my account. I simply made it on a server that was actually not SO overwhelmed that it couldn't make new accounts. I would imagine the same is true of many new users of late.

My Lemmy exerience: We're (heavily) advertised to on Reddit during the pre-blackout mess that we should try Lemmy. I go to try Lemmy. Server is broken. Server is broken. Server is not allowing new users. Server is not allowing new users. Ah! This one actually functions, so I can try Lemmy! Start following and posting, and finding nice communities. Then start finding out that some of these only federate in one direction, so I'm posting to people on another instance who can't see it, because of Lemmy admin bickering and politics. Great, now I need to start over with a new account again, just when I was feeling settled in? Leaves a bad taste, and I was lucky enough to not end up on one of the MOST hated instances.

I hate politics. You can't escape them anywhere involving humans.

I wonder if people would be interested in a "lurker" instance that disables comments/posts/etc. entirely. A "read-only" instance for the people who really hate the idea of being defederated, lol.

People want to have everything in one place and they bitch and whine when everything in one place ends up getting under control of people who are shitty.

Defederating is a needed part to maintain no party keeps too much control and ruins it for everyone. Remember why most of us left reddit for here? The ability for communities to defederate others will hopefully prevent the shit that happened.

I feel like these are just growing pains. I mean I'm sure people will argue about to defederate or not for as long as the fediverse exists, but I imagine it'll become background noise as people get accustomed to what the fediverse is and isn't.

The fact that this level of choice exists, both for operaters and for users is a big part what makes these places stand apart from reddit and it's ilk.

The fun part of the fedi is seeing the instance drama. Where before everyone would just yell at the centralized platform corporation, and now we get to yell at the people directly who are trying to filter us out! Usually for good reason.

You feelin' alright, man? Maybe get something to eat.

It's like the old saying goes.. if a Nazi sits at a table and no one gets up, you have a table full of Nazis.

If you have a community full of Nazis then you have an instance full of Nazis.

Hi from my new self hosted instance!

Seriously. And honestly, even ignoring the super hateful instances, if one server collectively wants to de-federate with another for ANY reason, it is entirely their prerogative. It's funny how many people seem to think that other instances should be FORCED to host others' content, all for their convenience. The level of entitlement there is off the charts.

Seriously, I've been here like two weeks, and I got a basic grasp about federated instances in a couple days. People keep bitching in posts and comments.

Just host your own god damn instance for your hot takes.

"...b-b-buh-but muh fReE sPeEcH!!1"

-idiots who don't understand the 1st amendment only protects speech from the government, not individuals or corporations and it definitely doesn't protect them from the consequences of their words (never mind the fact that it only applies to one country)

"Quit your Whining" then proceeds to whine.

Isn't this a case of take your own advice?

Many instances have already defederated lots of stuff. If you feel strongly about that shouldn't you migrate there over asking other instances to do the same thing? Seems like if he wanted to he would have here by now.

All just feel like fediverse problems and IMO the action should be take ~2 weeks off line and then evaluate there all the shit lands and decide. In thedude's shoes, I would have already pulled the plug on this as way to much hassle to get into the middle of. Props to him for not.

The instance that works for me, sadly, is the instance that works on Jerboa and hasn't defederated with any other instances.

Which one is that?

I love my main "hub" instance. It chooses not to federate itself with a lot of the bigger instances, because those are basically the wild west where anything goes.

My dumb mental health is pretty fragile (I'm mad about that), so it's really bad for my mind to see front page content blatantly putting out bait, open hostility, shitty takes, or arguing about loli porn or whatever.

I'm a person who likes my hobbies, animals, goofy memes, and good conversation. I'm glad I can choose to participate in one "safe" instance, and venture to another if I'm feeling the need to explore more content.

I literally have the power to do both! And I'm happy for that choice.

People shouldn't be upset when the power is in their hands to do whatever they want.

People can run their own instance and choose exactly what to take part in. That's the best solution for now if you are a little bit techy and can run ansible against a Linux server.

That last line is poetry

I look fucking terrible in a fedora.

There is a lot of spite in your comment bro.