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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/politics@lemmy.world
 

Hi there.

A short introduction: This is an alt account. I'm a moderator here who has been unhappy with the state of news/political discussions here for a long time. The admins have kindly given me the opportunity to see if we can make some improvement the community here.

We will be doing some major revision of the rules left by the previous moderators and will use discussions in this thread as feedback on the direction we should take our community.

This will be an open discussion on the state of our community, the rules and our moderation practices. Feel free to give your inputs.

My goal is to foster thoughtful discussion in our community, and not let this place be a replica of r/politics.

First order of business, immediate rule change.

On !politics@lemmy.world, effectively immediately, we will no longer restrict political discussion to the politics of the United States of America. Discussion regarding of the state of politics from around the world is now welcome.

I will leave this pinned for 1-2 weeks for our team to take feedback and make our proposals then.

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[–] 16 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I think the challenge is going to be separating World News from Politics. Articles will need to have some kind of political angle to be appropriate here.

So, for example, my submission of Daihatsu getting caught faking safety reports for 30 years, World News, nothing about that is political.

Putin supporter falling out a window? (AGAIN?) I could see that being in one or the other or both.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I also hope this doesn't turn into "this is about WORLD politics. Why are you talking about America?"

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Or vice versa, it will take time for people to get used to seeing non-US politics.

    Due to naming ambiguity, we might need to require country tags as well.

    News about a Georgia election... well, WHICH GEORGIA? ;)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I agree, but I also think we're going to have people complaining that there are too many people posting about American politics. We'll see. Maybe the tag thing would be a good idea. I also don't think, as a U.S. resident, that a community for U.S. politics would be a bad idea. I don't know how many people would use it at this point though.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    It really depends on the balance of posts. It's possible I would migrate to something more US focused but I'd have to see whether I'm unhappy with the ratio after the change. I don't want to keep myself ignorant of the rest of the world, but if I can't comment on a majority of posts because I know nothing about that country then it's not really a community I fit into.

    But I recognize that's a me problem and not a y'all problem.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    News should be news, I would like this community to focus on political discussions, editorials, and commentaries from a variety of viewpoints, if that makes sense.

    And to be frank, I don't think topics like "Trump smells bad" is good political discussion, which is what I would aim to avoid.

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  • [+] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Don’t apologize for the Trump smells posts. And I’m being very serious here, just because WE want the political news to be serious or relevant doesn’t mean that it is. We currently have a lot of very childish and middle school rhetoric happening in today’s political climate and ignoring it is equivalent to sticking our fingers in our ears and screaming “la la la… this isn’t happening..la la la”. We can’t discredit this sort of without harming our overall understanding of what’s happening. Do I wish we weren’t having a discussion about the odor of a major political figure and instead talking about how we’re going fix problems like housing prices, wealth disparity, climate change, etc? Hell yes! Be here we are.

    Now about the proposed rule change, I don’t think importing world politics into c/politics is such a great idea, especially right now. c/politics is just implied to be US politics. I would love to hear about other struggles or relevant world oriented political news, just in another Lemmy community. For example what’s going on in Ukraine and Israel are VERY important on the world stage but I’d like to currently keep the impending doom segmented at least for my own mental health. We could rename c/politics to c/us-politics and create c/world-politics (assuming that’s technically possible). I’m not going to leave this community regardless of the decision but it wouldn’t be my favorite decision either.

    Just my 2¢

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good to talk to you again. You are one of my favorite accounts on Lemmy.

    Are the mods thinking transforming this community into something like “ask politics”-type format?

    Article submissions are still very much welcome here, but I would like to expand this place so that we have more discussion among the community on political topics. So, a bit of both.

    I do want to foster a culture of thoughtful discussion here, and that needs to originate from our power submitter such as yourself. If you put in effort in your submission, then the comment section will be encouraged to make effort as well.

    I don't think a weekly highlighting would be necessary, because I think we should all read more and be more informed on politics before we comment. Still thinking about what we should do here.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I’d love to see the removal, or culling of op-ed pieces. It’s not news.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I'm happy to see the rule change to be world-inclusive now. I do hope there is a way to tag/flair posts to show geography, though, or it'll end up having people assume US-first.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Is that why the logo is missing?

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The previous logo and banner was made by YoBuck, I think he took it with him when he left.

    Might want to run a logo contest/banner contest sometimes soon, if you guys are interested.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It was startrek.website, right? I know about that one.

    I have gone out of my way to not interact with him or even be on the same mod team as him, because some of the things he said was legitimately disturbing, and I think he needs serious help. It is my hope that our community can move past him.

    With any luck, we'll start running the contest very soon.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (42 children)

    I'm probably going to move to another politics community then. I thought they took the old site's politics and made it less antagonistic here. I don't like that the admins of lemmy world are involved either. You seem like you want to do well, but I have real concerns now. I might start one on sh.itjust.works and keep the energy that was here.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    When it comes to Moderator drama, I would RATHER the site Admins make the call than the other moderators.

    If you don't then the optics are bad. Say I took the initiative and bounced Yobucks and appointed MightBe, the end result, to you guys, would look like I staged a coup and inserted my own cronies to the modlist (which is something that happened more than once on reddit.)

    Being able to step aside, reach out to the Admins and go "Hey, I think we have a problem..." is a huge improvement.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 years ago (34 children)

    I would like to address your concerns. The audience here is very much US centric, so that even with the current rule change, I don't expect the content and culture here to drastically change overnight. In fact, I would still very much expect US politics to be fairly dominant here in the near future.

    And rest assured, we would not want the antagonism here to increase either.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (33 children)

    That's good to hear. I'm more concerned about how much Lemmy World admins are involved, I left lemmy world for a reason.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'd like it if this was a place for nuanced discussion of political issues, not an endless stream of tabloid-level garbage involving politicians. I believe drivel like "Trump Smells" and the later clarification "Like Butts And Armpitts" is childish and need not be here.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    I agree, but it's a hard line to draw when Trump is the likely GOP presidential nominee, and half or more of Republicans in Congress are little knock off versions of him. Take for instance, Trump's Christmas message directing Biden and liberals to rot in hell, that's just a garbage story. But it's the presumptive GOP nominee saying it, so I guess it's substantive? If you ignore it, you normalize it.

    Maybe it's not news stories that are at fault, it's just that the US politics itself has reached "tablod-level garbage". Fuck I'm not looking for to this election year.

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