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[–] 73 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile, LOTR nerds:

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I've never understood this rift... I like Star Trek and Star Wars. Can't we just agree that we're all sci-fi nerds?

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They’re very different takes on futuristic sci fi.

    I enjoy Star Wars but I’m not a “fan”, it’s just a very different series to what I most enjoy watching.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Uhhhgggh I have to be that nerd, Star Wars isn't the future, it's a long time ago, in the past.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    I would agree. I think 'fan' would apply to at least being into the lore. I'm not especially into the lore of Star Wars beyond what I see on screen. In Star Trek, I like discussing the lore, the "science," etc. I'm definitely a fan.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Star Wars is actually fantasy though.

    The force is literally magic

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yup. It's all about magic, swords, princesses, etc. There's literally light and dark wizards.

    It's a fantasy series in a Sci-Fi environment.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Which is why I've always thought that KTOR is a far better fit. Precisely because you can kind of just have medieval fantasy with lasers. There isn't this big overarching empire with their ever inbigening anti-planet devices.

    Because it's fantasy it's kind of gone off the rails to a certain extent, there was a reason that all of the good shows are smaller in scale. Andor could be about the French resistance in the second world war and it would still work. Mandalorian could be a western.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, but I think "FanDom" implies "Fanatical Domination" meaning someone in The "FanDom" of a certain thing is sexually aroused by dominating other with their fanatical following of said thing.

    That's the only explanation I've been able to come up with and I find it hilarious so I'm sticking with it.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And Cons are about conning people into buying fan merchandize and provide a free advwrtisement in a form of cosplay.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Can't we just agree that we're all sci-fi nerds?

    If only it were that easy.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Gundam scares me because I know I will love it, and there is such a huge amount of it that I may never crawl back out of that hole.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Time to warch Star Wars: Wrath of Knan followed by Star Trek: The empire strikes back.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Star trek is like an old friend you can talk with for hours. Makes you comfy, makes you laugh, makes you ponder your existence and mortality, and every time you meet they have a new story to tell you.

    As to where to start: If you can handle old shows The Original Series is really amazing for what it is.

    If you can't then no worries The Next Generation is a safe bet, but maybe try to skip the first two seasons on your first watch, some of the episodes are painfully mediocre, and the show was still trying to find its footing.

    If you want a modern show, then Strange New Worlds is currently running and has some qualities of the old Trek

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I like Star Trek because of the hopeful future it depicts, the exploration I would love to experience, and the well developed characters.

    Episodes are varied, one episode might focus on a side character's love life, where another might be a battle against a superior foe that feels like a Das Boot adaptaion.

    I recommend Strange New Worlds, it's a return to episodic storytelling, it's got great visuals, great actors, and the weakest episode is better than The Next Generation's average episode.

    I recently introduced a friend to Star Trek with SNW without explaining anything and it did a great job of introducing the setting and itself

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I must say the biggest problem with Star trek is consistency. TNG oscillates from the best television I've ever seen to worst from one episode to the next

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    That is the beauty of episodic content. If you don't enjoy an episode, you can just skip to the next which will be entirely different.

    If the story is bad in a serial show, it ruins the entire season.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Its more of a philosophical space drama then an action packed space opera.

    I just appreciate how the prime directive limits the characters. They almost always could militarily dominate the enemy, but that's never the goal.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    On the flip side a lot of times the only reason characters survive encounters with entities far more powerful than them is a laser like focus on understanding what an unknown entities motivations are.

    I love it when a Star Trek captain phones up some evil looking spaceship that is blowing shit the fuck up and is like “what is it precisely that you want?”. The alien picking up inside the ship usually doesn’t want to talk and it takes the captain cutting through several layers of bullshit until they discover why and the why usually drastically changes the situation.

    At the same time, this strategy isn’t portrayed in a naive way that encourages aliens to walk all over starfleet, when you understand the motivations of romulans you understand you better blow them the fuck up if they start testing you or they will see it culturally as a weakness and invade…

    Further, there are entities that are just an order of magnitude more powerful that can’t be stopped with any degree of force like Q and the characters just have to deal with it which I like because it keeps Star Trek from becoming a power fantasy about super heroes.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    My favorite thing about Star Trek- and I do like Star Wars, but this is where I think you may not like Star Trek if you like Star Wars- is that they (generally) try talking things out before using their weapons. I like to dream that we will eventually become a society where violence is not our first reaction to the unknown.

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  • There’s a ‘Where to start’ FAQ linked in the sidebar wiki for this community. I recommend going there and taking a look.

    The best place to start largely depends on your personal preferences in terms of whether shows need to be action packed, have long term serialization vs episodic, and tolerances for 60s or 80s/90s trends in special effects, technobabble, Shakespearean acting styles.

    I’m an older person who has been watching since TOS was in first run, and saw the original Star Wars as a teen. Alien 1 too. All to say, I saw all of it as it came out. We were just so glad in the late 70s that someone was making sci-fi movies that weren’t post-Armageddon dreary.

    Trek has held my interest more intently, but I read more than my share of the SW ‘legends’ books as they came out. I can see a wide range of offerings in both franchises, appealing to different audiences and tastes.

    It rather boggles me that there are folks who have tried one but not the other. It’s like someone who is a DC or Marvel fan and has never checked out the other. You may not find anything to like, but the potential of finding another universe of stories that interest you is more than worth the risk.

    A word of caution. Just about Star Trek every fan thinks that the show they first watched or their favourite show is the best place to start. They’ll argue passionately that you’ll do best starting where they did. Ignore all of it. You’re you.

    Read the ‘where to start?’, check out ‘Memory Alpha’ or Wikipedia for the basic description of the main series, pick one that appeals and try the pilot. Be also cautioned that many of the shows take a while to find their groove. Checking out a ‘best of’ list for early seasons is ok if you’re not the of a completist temperament. Hope you find the Trek that’s best for you.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I got told by Lemmy to start from Voyager and I've had no regrets. Low barrier for entry in terms of not needing to know much about star trek, introduces a lot of important lore to take into different series, hits a lot of the great beats of the rest of the material.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    NOT any of the movies. Avoid them until you know you enjoy the tvseries. And I believe you should start at Strange New Worlds. A recent series that quickly gets itself into what we enjoy about Star Trek.

    You COULD see if you enjoy Discovery too. I think its a bit too far from what makes Star Trek fun (team work and optimism), and it too quickly delves into mirror world stuff, which you really should have more context about. Picard is a bit too much dependent on knowing stuff from The Next Generation. Lower Decks is making fun of Star Trek lore. And Enterprise and anything older is good and watchable if you enjoyed Strange New Worlds. They all have a bit slow first season though. The Original Series is too old to be watchable for me.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    no, i am a greater nerd, actially

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I could never be like the common Star Wars nerd 🤮 (just jokes)

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