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iOS: Problems with Lockdown Mode (lemmy.world)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Voyager can't open posts or display comments with it enabled, it gets stuck. Also, some user settings aren't "remembered". Any chance of a future fix to correct these problems? Thanks, I enjoy the app very much aside from these issues.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I’m fairly certain what you’re experiencing is just how lockdown mode works. It even specifically states in the menu that it’s gonna break some stuff because certain features that apps might need to function are completely disabled. The fix is “don’t use lockdown mode” because you simply cannot work around entire critical feature sets being unavailable on a system level.

To be honest, you probably shouldn’t be using lockdown mode if apps behaving weird is going to bother you. It’s an extreme measure and it says so right when you enable it, it’s not meant for casual use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While it’s true that lockdown mode can break things, it’s likely there is something that can be fixed here - a setting or a particular API, perhaps. After all, the app is still in development and these don’t seem like intended effects of lockdown mode.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I tend to agree with this as other Lemmy apps work just fine with iOS lockdown mode such as mlem and memmy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What you say its true, but apps having real problems with lockdown mode are few and far between. Usually cosmetic issues and that's it.

Apple has been dropping the ball on privacy with the latest iOS releases. I thought that 14 had decent privacy. But from 15 onward, YouTube is recommending videos out of your face to face, voice, offline conversations - just like Android does, and I'm pretty selfish with app permissions already. So I enable lockdown mode, not just to harden my phone safety. But also to help a little bit in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

YouTube is not using your microphone to listen to your conversations to show you ads. They don’t need to, their tracking on the web is pervasive enough without people making up fake privacy concerns. In fact, you can easily disable the mic permission.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So sad to see the pervasive misunderstanding of ad targeting :(

iOS doesn’t even allow devices access to camera/mic unless the permissions have been granted; and background process barely allows applications any time to do anything, there’s just no way for it to listen to the users in background and upload that data elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago

There's no way, you say. Yet that kind of targeted ads is precisely what happens, that's what many users are experiencing with their phones, regardless of their microphone permissions. Big tech is being profoundly dishonest about their privacy with users, and don't seem to stick with their own privacy legal terms. But what I'm talking about is the browser version of YouTube. not even the app.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lockdown mode is not for privacy protection. It’s for cybersecurity. Using web connected apps are an attack vector and so performance on apps, especially apps that are doing background refresh of data for precaching or lazy loads, etc are going to have degraded performance. You could try using the web app version if the native app is being negatively affected

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Both things, security and privacy, are sides of the same coin. Hacking is nothing more than remote, and unauthorized, manipulation of data in a device you don't own. If you install a keylogger without the user knowing... are we talking about security, privacy, or both?

Lockdown mode helps with keeping the processes isolated, many typical browser features can be used, and are actively used, to fingerprint users. Data, even metadata, is worth more than money these days, with several AI models being developed, and needing training.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

User settings aren't remembered because lockdown mode completely disables the API where Voyager saves user settings (indexeddb).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

I really don't get why some of you are so triggered simply because of my privacy concerns, and the downvoting is so heavy. Maybe a full disclosure is due? What is your own work status with Google and Apple for instance?

Norton knows its stuff, its in the security business since very long, they're very credible, and they point out clearly here that what I'm saying, about phone privacy, is fact.

Very puzzling reaction around this issue, indeed.