They’re affordable and ubiquitous, but homeowners shouldn’t be able to act as vigilantes.

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[–] 171 points 3 years ago (6 children)

They don’t recommend them because of what the homeowners can do with them?

I’m much more worried about the fact that they’re a constant feed of activity accessible by anyone who can bypass or be let through Amazon’s access controls.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)

    And here I am with my Eufy cameras...

    In fairness is JUST bought the damned things right as all the drama was happening.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    Saying this as an ethnically Chinese person who is not being racist... I had a eufy robovac and when I discovered it was Chinese-owned and had a video camera installed on it... I immediately got rid of that thing. I don't trust any technology company owned by China to be able to see into my home.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    knowing nothing about the Eufy cameras, pros/cons?

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It allows local hosting; however, thumbnails are sent through an unprotected, cloud based server where they were also cached. It was easily hacked a while ago, when someone figured out the file names, and their patch was to make the file names more obscure so they cannot be guessed.

    I bought them a couple of years before the hack, and shit hit the fan. All my cams are external, so the privacy aspect isn’t as high as those with them inside a child’s room or elsewhere inside.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago

    not just sent through, but indefinitely stored on the cloud server, despite advertising that it was not cloud-connected. It also generated facial-recognition based IDs for people which was also stored, and every single device could be connected to through an non-authorized connection request from VLC player.

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  • [–] 135 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Why is Wired writing about wireless cameras? Stay in your area of expertise!

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  • [–] 80 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    But it also allows Ring owners to send videos they've captured with their Ring video doorbell cameras and outdoor security cameras to law enforcement. (...) If a crime has been committed, law enforcement should obtain a warrant to access civilian video footage.

    This is utter nonsense... Anyone is free to voluntarily provide their own pictures and video to the police. A warrant is so that police can come and take it from you against your will.

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  • [+] 36 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    That’s great, right up until Ring unilaterally decides to...

    Which is a completely different topic than the one I quoted. The article said that equipment owners shouldn't be able to provide their videos to the police without the police first getting a warrant, which is an utterly ridiculous position to take.

    OBVIOUSLY the police should have a warrant to get the video without the equipment owner's permission, but that's not what the author said.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    Exactly. There are legitimate concerns about whether law enforcement should be able to subpoena "third party" records (including video recordings) with a process less than a full blown warrant supported by probable cause, as determined by a neutral judge, or whether government should be able to compel the retention of records for a later after-the-fact search. That's a discussion worth having.

    But voluntarily recording and retaining video means that the person who controls those records can choose to do what they want with it. Imagine if some homeowner had these cameras, and had their own home burglarized, and tried to turn over the video evidence of the crime, but the courts were like "whoa wait did you get a warrant for that?" It doesn't really change anything to have it be cloud hosted, or easily shared with a button, because that "share" functionality works for non-police recipients, too. Doorbell camera footage gets shared all the time on social media, sometimes because it's funny or interesting or otherwise worth viewing.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    Reading only the headline I assumed "not recommended because of the invasive Amazon tracking", instead it was "because some owners become vigilantes"...

    I am searching also for a camera but I'm not finding it, can someone help me?

    What it must be:

    1. Not battery powered

    2. 100% offline

    3. No cloud support at all

    4. No subscription

    5. To replace the door peephole

    6. Onvif support or similar so I can use a generic NVR in my own network for recording

    7. A screen on the inside of the door so I can see who's outside (because now the door peephole is replaced by the camera)

    Seems impossible to find

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    I just grabbef a generic IP camera, connected it over ethernet, and firewalled it so it could not make connections out to my home network or the internet. Turns out it just uses an mpeg stream for the video, so recording it is just a matter of running curl on a server. Any network camera that does not depend on a server should work fine for this type of stuff.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Yeah, this. I do the same with my Reolink cameras - block all external access and I use a Frigate docker container to record footage to my storage. Bonus is I have Frigate using a Coral TPU, so it's got some really accurate, and fast, inferencing/recognition baked in.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Could I do this with an RPi 4 B 4GB, I wonder? I’m just About to have mine arrive and I would love to have a couple CCTV cameras in my place.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    As long as you are just doing capture and aren't attempting to do anything where a re-encode of the video stream is needed then absolutely. You'll need something other than a microSD card though to write the video too.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Look up the brand Intelbras they have a few residential intercoms that might work for you, I don't know where you are , but i know they exist the US and some parts of Europe and they might be cheaper there since they're a brazillian company (they're the best one we have I think?)

    I have their regular câmeras and they fit all our criteria. Ours are online, buy ots by choice it's not a system requirement. At least a few years back a few of those intercoms with screens were compatible with the nvrs i believe.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Besides the privacy aspect of it all, I just know in 5 years they will declare the camera a security problem and shut it off. I want a porch camera that lasts for 20 years.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (15 children)

    What’s the alternative? Some China based brand? I mean seriously they did not name ANY alternatives. I’m an American and would rather be spied on by the home team.

    Edit: a user corrected me that there’s a link at the bottom for recommended devices. Thank you.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Ubiquiti, an American company.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Appreciate the response. Checking their privacy settings on the app, Ubiquity seems to be the most privacy conscious.

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    [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    If you’re in the Apple ecosystem, a HomeKit camera would get you nearly all the way. Everything processed locally, no need to turn on iCloud if you don’t want. Your phone would be your peephole.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    So what is a good camera system to own? I currently have ADT and I'm really not happy with it. It's expensive and the cameras only record 30 second clips. It can detect motion, it records 30 seconds and that's it, regardless of how long the motion event actually takes.

    Example: someone drops off a package and they hang out on my porch - I have no idea what happens after the 30 second mark! It's insane. No way to change this either. The only option is for how long to wait between 30 second clips, and the lowest option is 2 minutes.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    As a live DIY system we use Jami (free), laptops, and webcams to monitor our property. We haven't tried recording for extended periods but with enough disk space extended recording could be accomplished.

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