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[–] 70 points 15 hours ago (11 children)

Screenshot of a question asked to a GNU maintainer: "as a hypothetical example: if i live in a territory that permits slavery, and by law i am granted sole ownership of the products of that forced labor, and then i use that to create contributions to gnu emacs, complete with copyright assignment, and it is technically correct, and, above all, you, the emacs maintainers are aware of how this was produced, would it be ethical to accept those contributions?". To which the answer from the GNU maintainer was "Our answer must be YES."

the fifth freedom is the freedom to own humans, apparently 🙃

(no, i am not making this up. yes, someone asked gnu maintainers if hypothetical code oritinating from slave labour would be fine to contribute. yes, these fucks answered YES without hesitation.)

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  • [–] 16 points 9 hours ago* (2 children)

    What the fuck? Like, no discussion or explanation of their rationale, just "must be YES" as if that's obvious? Come on... Free software really shouldn't be Slave Labor GNU/AI Slop Linux.

    There's so much public attention on the enshittification of everything in computing and growing momentum around free software alternatives... I do wish the people behind big free software projects would not say this sort of shit.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    the screenshot cuts off the next paragraph:

    Any other answer is a first step towards splitting our community along the many lines of political and ideological divides that have nothing to do with software freedoms. Right now we have contributors from all over the world, despite the differences in their regimes and political systems, differences in ideologies, and even in the very interpretation of the notion of "freedom". You are suggesting to subject the contributors to some examination of the principles they uphold, the ethics of their day-to-day activities, their views on matters of policies and important international events, etc. This will immediately fracture our community into many different enclaves. And that's exactly my point, and the main reason why I must reject the "Human Emacs" initiative, as it is presented to us.

    i don’t like this argument as i reject nationalism (while accepting geographic self-determination) but it seems most people agree with nationalism, so i’d like to hear others’ thoughts on this.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 6 hours ago

    You might enjoy Davi Ottenheimer's take in GNU Maintainer: Slave-Made Code? “YES”.

    Wollstonecraft answered the divisiveness claim even more clearly in 1790. Burke had argued that inherited institutions must stay beyond ethical examination, because a society that judges its own foundations fractures. Her reply applies to “fracture our community into many different enclaves” word for word: “the whole tenor of his plausible arguments settles slavery on an everlasting foundation.” In her second edition she spelled out the consequence. On Burke’s reasoning, “the slave trade ought never to be abolished.”

    Sounds familiar, no?

    A rule that forbids ethical examination of provenance protects whatever provenance is already inside the system. That held for sugar. It holds for emacs.

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  • [–] 57 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    From the emacs-devel mailing list (Archive). Was about to post this myself. The world deserves such a better free software movement than the one these guys have built.

    I hope the Human Emacs fork goes ahead, because I love Emacs too much to give it up.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    I understand the overall argument. I'm not 100% sure of how well this argument fits with not doing anything about LLM contributions, but OK. You don't want to add too many goals to your already established group or that could easily create fracturing between its members. If everyone sticks to a single goal, old members won't complain about the group changing direction in ways they don't agree with, the group might bring more people in (because anyone that agrees with that single goal might want to contribute), and the resources won't be spread thin.

    Claiming to accept contributions that result from slavery is way fucking beyond that though. I don't know about you, but I'd expect that every group I work with would at the very fucking least agree to follow the goddamn Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And in the GNU Foundation's particular case, I'd also expect them to do it, especially with them having being founded is the US, the country where the UN is headquartered.

    Also, is it just me, or do the GNU Foundation's leaders keep forgetting how to be human? This is far from the first time they've said stupid stuff like this.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    why wouldn't the answer be yes?

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  • [–] 34 points 15 hours ago

    I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Slop, is in fact, GNU/Slop, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Slop. Slop is not art unto itself, but rather another free-ish component of a fully functioning GNU artpiece [...]

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  • [–] 16 points 15 hours ago* (2 children)

    Me just giving up on having a PC - giving it to my younger sibling till new hope will catch me. 'Cause let's be honest: name me one ok, privacy respecting, non-slop, relatively easy to use and supported OS currently (preference on debloated). So I've just accepted that my moral is in the way.

    Let's just wait on either GNU/Linux2 or a good NetBSD based one (not counting AlpineBSD when it comes out).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Linux right now is easy to use as long as you don't need to do anything advanced specialised with it. I switched a few months ago and was actually a bit disappointed, because it was too simple.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago

    macOS has some AI bloat that is completely isolated from the rest of the system, so it fits all of your non-preference requirements

    also, i don’t use emacs, so i see no problem with using the rest of GNU/Linux…

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