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[–] 146 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

Beehaw admins: there are only four of us moderating everything

Community: so ask people to be admins mods

Beehaw admins: i can't understand a goddamn word you're saying

Edit: meant to say mods not admins

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  • [–] 58 points 3 years ago

    "Only 4 of us moderating"

    "Refuses to add mods meanwhile accepting 1000s of applications to join and building said community in a federated space where anyone outside their instance can participate"

    Yep, definitely well planned out by those folks hahaha.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I personally find beehaw's moderation weird, I get that you're trying to create a safe and regulated space, but you simple can't do that with 4 mods on the entire instance. I do think that their decision to jump to defederation is a result of these 4 people being overworked and simply not having the time to rationally evaluate the situation.

    if they want to continue like this they'll have to evaluate on whether to appoint proper mods to their communities or just decide to change their stance on "safe" content.

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  • [+] 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    Most of Beehaw's blocks are "generic ActivityPub assholes", which, before the Reddit migration, was really just the worst of the worst of Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, and Miss/Calc/???Key instances, with the occasional PeerTube thrown in.

    They likely just imported one of the common blocklists and moved on with their lives, which really should be "how to secure your community 101" but most Lemmy admins haven't seem to have gotten the memo yet.

    I'm patiently waiting for the day those assholes realize most of Lemmy is open ground for them to shit in, boy that's gonna be a fun few days.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Honestly, I respect their decision but at the same time I wonder why they didn't create a standalone unfederated from the get go.

    If you want to keep the community small and tightly nit it's just not compatible with the federation system. Now people got invested in some beehaw communities only to end up disconnected from them.

    Still, it's not like there is a guide for this. We are all learning how to make the federation work. I hope we can keep it civil toward instances that choose to defederate.

    We are all invested in the same thing: Making Lemmy successful.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    There doesn’t seem to be many moderation tools for people who don’t own the instance

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago*

    Even if you own an instance, the tools are non-existent.

    Some basics things that should be present but aren't:

    • A user directory for search and deletion
    • Possibility to block communities for your whole instance
    • Basic statistics. Both on the community and instance level
    • Possibility to mute a user without banning them
    • Allow creating a community but only after admin approval (right now it's free for all or admin only)
    • Easy access to server logs without having to dig directly inside the hosting server
    • Importing block/allow lists for federations using a file or url
    • Adding an administrator from the server admin UI

    The API is also lacking in a way that some of those things are not possible without deploying your own API talking directly with the postgress database.

    For example, if you wanted to see upvote/downvotes for each individual users, the data to calcultate it is in the database but the Lemmy API doesn't provide that functionality.

    While Lemmy is great as a platform, the management side of is glueing everything together just enough to not let it implode.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    I can code, but I've never been a moderator. What kind of mod tools do you want?

    EDIT: More discussion about mod tools: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3281

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Fricking flairs, they're very important in the communities that I'm moderating. With an ability to set multiple flairs at once because on reddit you can set only one which sucks because some posts can fit criteria to get 2 or more flairs.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago

    okay, let's talk turkey. let's define some requirements for the mod tools, and then we can start talking about how to satisfy those requirements.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yea this is really important, and also we need a way to moderate the moderators so we don't end up with the "super" mods we saw on Reddit...

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Just contacting admins of your instance would do, they have the ability to remove and appoint new mods.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Has this ever happened? From what I can tell asking people to fix their issues is the first step, and defederation only happens when they can't/won't fix them yet

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Nobody de-federated. People saw that there was a the_Donald community on sh.itjust.works + a lot of people from said server defending it ("just ignore it bro"). That triggered probably bad memories ala spez defending t_D because of "VaLuABlE DiSCuSsIoN", while they brigaded and harrased countless people during their time on Reddit. Some people got a little bit carried away and demanded de-federation and a couple of trolls throw gazoline in the fire.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    A community does not have a right to exist on a certain person's server. They should delete The_Donald and move on.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is one of the personal fears I have about society's where 'the mob' decides. Most people haven't had their fate decided by a mob before and so might not know what this means or how it pans out most of the time.

    I believe it is imperative that we have something in place to avoid mob actions - not a central authority per say but possibly a collective code we all believe in and abide by. We could perhaps establish what is (un)acceptable on a fediversal (universal) scale and what is (un)acceptable on a local instances (instances decide this themselves obv.)

    In the future we might need Lemmy/ActivityPub to be able to define posts/accounts/communities that are accessible across the Fediverse and those that are only accessible to users of that instance.

    Hence we wouldn't have the problem where for instance: members of one instance think pictures of furries is not NSFW content but members from other instances think it is

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    I’ll never understand this moral handwringing about mob rule.

    No one is burning witches. There’s no value to having a bunch of neo-nazi perspectives. They’re not useful, productive or worth platforming.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    See this post of mine which was prompted by a mastodon dev reviewing moderation tools on lemmy and kbin:

    https://lemmy.ml/post/1286830

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    An iOS app would be wonderful. It's the only thing stopping me from being a full-time Lemmy user right now.

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    [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Defed is the new Ban Hammer

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Except instead of banning people for no reason you ban entire servers for no reason

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What was Elmo supposed to have been doing in the innocent interpretation of this image? I swear they had to have known.

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    [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    All of the memes and threads I've seen complaining about this are from the instances that are being defederated, rather than from within Beehaw itself. In fact if you go and read the threads where they discuss these changes it seems the majority of the Beehaw users are okay with this.

    Reddit admins made a unilateral change that the majority didn't like and now we're all here on Lemmy, why is everyone suddenly acting like Lemmy instances are any different?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    A lot of the requests I've seen is people trying to create another echo chamber

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