I would subscribe in a heartbeat if I could get a cheaper subscription without youtube music.

Indian family plan is £2 a month for 6 people.

Feels like one of the best value subscriptions to me?

I use YouTube more than most streaming services and it helps support creators

YouTube has also been increasing its ads for free.

NewPipe is also a good alternative if you want to cut Google off your data, it doesn't use accounts and instead subscriptions are kept locally on the device.

I only use revanced because I consider picture in picture and playback with screen off a basic feature, and removing it to monetize inherently immoral.

The fact it comes with everything else is bonuses. I'd pay for those bonuses, but I won't if they try to cheat me beforehand.

And SmartTube for TV

I use yt-dlp to pull down YouTube videos, and have ad blockers on my web browser (I didn't actually realize that YouTube even had ads until what was apparently years until after they'd rolled out, was stunned when I used someone else's computer).

However, I would assume that if a significant chunk of people go that way and YouTube decides that they're losing out on sufficient ad revenue and/or profiling data doing this, that they're going to start blocking those. I would guess that they can make life unworkably difficult for any third-party clients connecting to their service if they put their minds to it.

YouTube probably doesn't care about SponsorBlock, because they aren't getting a piece of that money. Heck, they probably benefit if it encourages advertisers to go through YouTube rather than content creators on YouTube. But the profiling and the YouTube-displayed ads are probably something that they are going to care about, if push comes to shove and the impact on their bottom line is large enough.

And one more point -- I can believe that the Threadiverse could potentially displace Reddit. Usenet was distributed and was once the norm for Internet forums, and something like that could be the situation again.

But the bandwidth costs of videos are a lot higher than the bandwidth costs of forum text. I am not convinced that PeerTube or something like that will necessarily work at the scale of replacing YouTube. At the least, it's going to be a rather larger chunk of money that has to come from somewhere than is the situation with forums. Someone is going to have to be writing checks, at the end of the day. Maybe it doesn't have to be via watching ads or users getting profiled, but the money's gotta be coming out of someone's pocket.

YouTube also has some of its content creators putting material up to be paid. Reddit doesn't -- well, didn't, as it looks like now they're exploring that -- have that commercial model, where they try to pay people who create content. For YouTube content where the creator is doing it with the aim of generating income, any hypothetical YouTube replacement would need to generate money to cover not just bandwidth costs, but also paying content creators.

Yeah, there's no reason to pay for Premium unless you have an iPhone (and hopefully even that will change once the EU drags Apple kicking and screaming away from their App Store monopoly.)

How? I had the same plan and got an email saying they wouldn't honor the grandfathered plan and I was still being upped. I think they gave me an extra month or two at the lower rate and that was it.

Why do you have a subscription and use YouTube dlp, doesn’t that just download the video whether you have a subscription or not?

You mean to tell me there is actual land? I thought we were in Waterworld?

It means the creators I enjoy actually get paid, whereas with adblock they don't get any ad revenue.

Block ads without having to use an AdBlocker, but like who doesn’t use an AdBlocker these days

On mobile it allows you to continue playing videos when you close the app

And a recent addition they’ve added to it for mobile is the ability to fucking queue videos

I've had premium for so long now that I forget youtube has ads and when my friends try and play anything I am shocked at how shitty the experience is.

yt-dlp. Just "yt" rather than "youtube".

youtube-dl is an ancestor program of yt-dlp.