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[–] 108 points 3 years ago (138 children)

the whole de-federating thing is seriously turning me off to the whole concept of lemmy, it's like little dictators with their sceptres cutting off entire communities from each other. it's a major flaw and I hope it gets addressed as lemmy/fediverse evolves, or else it's not going to work

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  • [–] 50 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Eh, if it were easier to block an instance as a user, I'd be 100% with you instead of 95%.

    There are instances that are batshit crazy. Since blocking an instance as a user just ain't possible yet, I can see why defederation before trouble gets going is useful. Once the nasty side of the internet gets snowballing, it's much harder to manage.

    Troll, or serious extremist, some things are just cancerous.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    People can block communities right? That might make more sense than just severing connections to other servers completely?

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    See, that would be such a better option. Let individual users block servers from appearing for them alone in any interactive sense. The Beehaw defederation was not only terrible timing, but it exposed the biggest achilles heel of this whole idea.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Can you elaborate more on this? Its a tangent, but one I'm out of the loop on.

    Why DID beehaw split?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    I'm not fully in the know on this by any means, but from what I understand, Beehaw's admins/mods decided to defederate from sh.itjustwor.ks and lemmy.world because of an inability to moderate effectively due to the massive influx of new Lemmy users last week - most of which were in those two instances, as they have open registration.

    Beehaw requires you to apply to join.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    So you would prefer massive dictators with a profit motive instead? Because that's the alternative you are advocating for.

    The entire point of federation as a tool of decentralisation is to address the issue of Spez, Musk, Zuckerberg and so on. Massive corporate dictators of the internet.

    The solution is to split up the massive dictators into lots and lots of smaller ones, who can federate with who they want to in order to make a bigger space, and ultimately provide you with the choice of which approach you like better. It ultimatley allows all of these spaces to shut out corporate advertising as well because if McDonalds ever makes a fucking instance everyone will defederate that shit to get away from the advertising immediately.

    If you like the mega dictators better. Reddit is over there. I assume you do not, because that's why you left it.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    This is why I'm happy to be on my own private instance and part of what really turned me on to Lemmy. It's trivial to spin up your own instance if you're technically inclined. You have complete control over what you see and aren't subject to some power hungry admin on some server like Beehaw. That's what makes the fediverse so great imo

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    I was trying to set up my own 0.17.4 instance for a week. I have used docker professionally. 0.17.4 wasn't trivial to set up. The instructions were full of errors and omissions. I basically had to rewrite the whole docker-compose.yml myself.

    Of course, right when I was at the finish line, they released 0.18.0 and rewrote the instructions, and now it gets you 90% of the way right out of the box. There was still one omission to pull an nginx config file, and then you need to get your own certificate and add it to that config file (or use a reverse proxy, but I have no need for that at the moment).

    At least it's much easier than it was 3 days ago.

    If I didn't already have a bunch of shit running in containers that I don't want to risk messing up, I would have looked into using their Ansible instructions. But I really don't like running scripts on my server (especially as root!) unless I know everything that it's doing.

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    [–] 84 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    People in this thread look like they never mada a mistake doing something for the first time.

    You are all perfect, but our admins are awful.

    They also don't have experience in running this federation thing like we don't have in using it.

    This is all in R&D mode, both for code and for running community.

    Express your opinions, since that is the only way things can change, but have some understanding for people running the show.

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    [–] 61 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    thank god someone else is finding humor in this too. i laughed at the sheer absurdity of half the comments in that thread. people can really easily lose all sense of proportion

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Any link to that thread? I'm out of the loop

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    https://lemmy.fmhy.ml/post/265796

    here you go, keep in mind that it's 2 days old so probably best not to comment on it and shake up a pot that's now settled. just sit back, read and laugh instead

    (wish i could give you a properly formatted link that would load the post in your instance instead of booting you off-site, but as of now i don't think there's syntax that lets you share proper links to posts, like there is with communities. does each instance just number every post on the network by itself? so far that's what it's been looking like to me)

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    [–] 35 points 3 years ago (21 children)

    I'm out of the loop, what happened?!

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    [–] 23 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Hey jas sh.itjust.works actually been defederated with many major instances yet or are there just murmurs? I'm confused what happens because I'm on lemmy.ml and I still see sh.itjust.works content, but then I'm actively subscribed to some communities there. My understanding with defederation is that you no longer see anything from a given instance in the "all" section vs the "local" section (where you only have seen stuff from your home instance anyway). That makes sense, but what about my subscriptions. If I'm actively subscribed do I still get content from defederated instances or is that all just gone?

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  • [–] [S] 60 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    No no, nothing happened. It was all angry discussion by crowds who didn't know anything. The problems were solved very fast and no one ended up unhappy except for the troll.

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