Article is by Molly White, who you might recognize from Mastodon and web3isgoinggreat.com:

https://hachyderm.io/@molly0xfff/117526961419935070

I wrote up what we know about the Binance hack so far. By my best estimate, Binance is out around $3 billion after stablecoin issuers froze what they could. Changpeng Zhao is promising Binance will cover it, but he’s legally barred from running the company.

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[–] 15 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

It turns out that watching people lose money to crypto is my kink.

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  • [–] 26 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    It's amazing that people store their life savings in other people's wallets, lol

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  • [–] 51 points 1 day ago (22 children)

    now updated to $6.8B.

    So much for blockchain security and free money.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    They had access to 6.8, Binance froze over 3 billion, and off chain partners froze other coins. They said 3 billion or less.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    They had access to 6.8, Binance froze over 3 billion

    So much for blockchain security and free money. You missed the point, this wasn't supposed to be possible, bro.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago*

    they didn't break into a blockchain, they broke into a website. blockchains are built on hashes, nobody's reversing hashes no matter how much you dislike blockchains.

    this wasn’t supposed to be possible, bro.

    hacking into websites is actually totally possible, bro. get your facts straight, bro. you don't know what you're talking about at all, bro.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

    Isn't blockchain just a way to control the transactions? Why can't they just reverse the transactions and essentially deny the theft?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    Because there is no centralized entity whom you can ask to do that, that's the whole point. Only the change to the community controlled consensus - (most of miners, node runner, validators and users agreeing to it) can achieve that, but there is no interest in that as it would undermine one of the main principals of crypto currency and it's cash like properties - transaction irreversibly.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago

    Something like this happened with Ethereium iirc and the coin split into two. One were the transaction was reverse and the OG one. But they were able to reverse the transaction because all the biggest holders decided to. Not sure if those coins stole from binance are as centralized as Ethereum was at that moment to be able to do it.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago

    A blockchain doesn't actually provide control over a transaction, it just verifies that it happened. It's supposed to be a long, immutable record of every transaction that has ever ocurred, which is precisely why transactions can't be reversed. The work of verifying those transactions is performing by miners, or some other "proof of" design where you have an authority in the chain that confirms it.

    Basically, it's nothing more than a fancy receipt.

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  • [–] 12 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

    Did they break the security of the blockchain or just hacked an application that stored it in a database?

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  • [–] 24 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

    they hacked the website. People who use Binance are storing their money there, instead of on a self-custody wallet

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  • [–] 9 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

    Crypto coins are a scam, and one of the main feature, decentralization, is vastly nullified by people storing their coins in a centralized wallet of someone else.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

    crypto works great as a currency that is difficult to tie to individuals, not as an investment.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago* (1 child)

    "works great" as in... how? it's all way too slow and volitile and cumbersome to handle the global financial system, so nobody actually uses it as currency. in what sense does it "work great?" in theory it works great, but in practice, not so much. nobody wants to pay their rent with bitcoin if the price has shifted down 20% by the time it gets processed.

    in practice it's also really easy to link your crypto transfers to you. it only takes one opsec failure and you're not anonymous anymore. so i really don't think it works "great."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Etherum settles in 12 seconds and can handle >30k transactions per second across it's layer 2s, by 2030 it aims to be capable of 10k tps on the main chain alone and enable protocol native shielded pools for private transactions.

    Monero is already private and one of the most stable cryptos out there. It takes ~1 min for a single conf, but because there is no replace by fee feature, you can accept 0 conf tx for small payments.

    Compared to fiat big cryptos like ₿, Ɱ, ETH tend to appreciate in value, so even if you were using them for payments without looking at the price, over a longer period, for most people the average they paid would be lower than if they used fiat, which only ever goes down in value.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    How many people use it with its intended purpose vs people using it as an "investment"?

    Wishful thinking won't make it less of a scam

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    How many people buy houses as an investment instead of living in them, how many people buy oil as an investment instead of using it for fuel, how many people buy gold and silver as an investmen instead of using them for jewelry or industrial applications, how many people buy dram as an investment instead of putting it in their computers... I guess it's all a scam then? What a dumbass take. Besides, store of value is one of the intended purposes of a crypto currency, I don't see how you can hold against it the fact that more people are opening their eyes to how valuable this property of crypto really is in the face of their life saving being vaporized by the money printer.

    M2 - money supply, USD

    Bitcoin supply

    Monero supply

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  • [–] 6 points 6 hours ago*

    Exactly. Stocks weren't meant to be traded as a way to make money. They were meant to represent ownership in a company that payed out dividends.

    But then finance bros being finance bros, figured out they could gamble against a stock's value and potentially make even more money.

    Then it became normalized.

    At least there are rules now and some oversite. It used to be a literal secret group of men, in a room, deciding value and who gets what.

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    [–] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    There are still people who will insist it wasn't a stupid idea to decide meaningless digital points like the ones you get for helping Pac-Man eat dots are real-life money now.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Wow. Is this the biggest heist ever? Apart from Trump’s presidential grift and the SpaceX IPO ofc.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 hours ago* (1 child)

    Most heists are digital nowadays because most people neglect cybersecurity. But since we're talking cybersecurity, that's the next big sector to invest if you ask me, especially with threat of AI and quantum computers.

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