this is post is based on a conversation i had with someone about whether we positively connect our anarchism to democracy or not, because on one hand the democratic ideal, of everyone being in power and making decisions together is pretty neat and anarchist, and that's also what many people think of when they hear democracy, but then democracies (as in democratic organisations and states) since the greek inception of the word also have almost exclusively been the ruling of a privileged few over the rest, with just enought power (or illusion of power) handed back to us that we wouldnt rebel. as one argument goes: if "democracy" literally means "rulership of the people" then who are the people?

sadly we did not kiss after the conversation :<
but i think we agreed that honestly either is fine ฅ^>⩊<^ฅ

and now: me rambling about anarchy :3if you are wondering now "anarchy? isnt that when everyone just does whatever they want and fucks everyone else over?? isnt that just destructive chaos?"

then well, that is one definition of anarchy but it is not the anarchy that anarchists desire ;3

anarchy as anarchists understand it is a society organizing itself by anarchist principles. this expesses itself through things such as mutual aide, free association, absence or minimalization of hierarchies and direct action.

basically people getting together in all areas of their lives, to together fulfill their needs, help each other, make decisions among those affected and resolve conflicts together. it's ofc not always glamourus, no society is, but we believe that it is a better way of living and organizing and we can start building it here and now by just doing those things

important values of anarchy are equality, freedom, solidarity, consent, and uniqueness. those are also shared (or claimed to be shared) by other political movements and organizations, but i would argue that most put other things first such as upholding the current system, maintaining and extending the rulers power and such.

ofc not all anarchists think alike so at the end of the day this is just one perspective out of many

if u are intrigued now and wanna hear more about anarchism, you could check out the anarchist faq or ask in the comments but pws don't be mean

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[–] 12 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

There exist different kinds of democracy, with the anarchist direct democracy by a community deciding together being the best form of it :3

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  • [–] 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    Does this direct democracy include majority rule?

    • If not then why keep calling it democracy? Is anarchy not enough? What does the term democracy give that anarchy doesn't?
    • If it does then I don't know how anarchic I would call it. My tolerance for anarchy is quite large so I can see it working but I also would definitely understand people who don't consider it such.

    And as a final note: by going back to the roots of the word "an-archy" loosely means "no-rule" and "demo-cracy" loosely means "people rule". So taking purely by their roots they are contradictory. One wishes for the abolishment of "rule" while the other wishes for people to "rule".

    All this is meant as just fun discussion about words and ideas. In the grand scheme none of this matters as I think that the reality will be too messy to fit into any neat definition and at the end of the day if people are free it doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    It's simple to combine them then. First we institute people-rule, then we eliminate all the people, and it becomes no-people-rule, "andemocracy". I am a human and not an LLM.

    /s

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago

    Yes it would be a majority rule, I believe there should still be a unified direction to avoid pulling in two opposite directions. But nothing should be set in stone, issues need to be debated to get people to agree together, not just "This is better!!" and "That is better!!". No elected politicians either, decisions made by the people, everyone matters equal. I don't know if it match perfectly with anarchism, but tbh I'm just confused as fuck in my daily life and it seemed to be the closest thing to what I want, which is why I'm identifying as such

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago*

    As someone who identifies as a Social Anarchist, this is my dream. No Capitalism, no big evil government; just the community coming together to make sure everyone has their needs met. But that will never happen so long as we have psychopaths and recommendation algorithms.

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  • [–] 33 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    i wrote a whole paragraph but then fat-fingered and deleted it :(

    i guess i will literally go touch grass then

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    Anarachy is democracy without coercion. Specifically you should never be subject to violence for exercising your rights in contradiction to a plurality (or even majority) vote.

    Or, it can be. There's really no restrictions on how a group of anarchists reach (or fail to reach) a consensus.

    (I am NOT an expert in anarchy, but this is my impression from my sometimes visits to the Anarchist FAQ.)

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  • [–] 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

    I've been enjoying the writing of Zoe Baker recently. Specifically Means and Ends about the historical origins of anarchism. While looking for that, I also saw an essay on Anarchism and Democracy that references more recent thinkers. Might check that out too.

    Anyway, one of the takeaways for me was this: the fundamental opposition to parlamentary democracy entered the (european) anarchist canon in a time, when firstly parliaments were typically created as concessions by monarchs to stave off revolution, and by design ineffectual. And secondly violent revolution was still very much on the table. In this context participation in state democracy was opposed categorily as a strategic error.

    If you live in a country where these two facts are no longer accurate (okay #1 is debatable, but #2 generally no), the strategic conclusions should also be different. Even if you have a post-state vision of democracy, some level of involvement in state democracy (or at least not torpedoing those efforts on principle) is non-optional in my opinion. Not least because fascists are trying to capture those systems to suppress all of our movements even harder.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    thanky for ur comment :3
    zoe baker is great!

    i think you are right that the state can't and shouldn't be ignored and we should try to get the state to improve conditions, but i also believe that we have to be careful about it.

    there is the big rist of getting coopted or corrupte by the state, its logic, and it's burocracy.

    and then of course there is also a limit on what is achievable using state power. we can't use it to prefigure a statless society, at best we can use it to create a fertile conditions for a statless society to grow. but that growing has to be done outside of it and is what i think requires the main focus.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 hours ago

    You don't know how ready I was to receive the most toxic reply ever conceived by man.

    I declare your takes to be extremely good and correct and, frankly, you're incredibly cool and attractive for having them.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago

    Everybody up in here all having serious conversations and, I'm just like obsessed with the fact the fourth panel is artistically so much different than the first three lol

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  • [–] 29 points 14 hours ago (11 children)

    The fact that existing democracies (like all human endeavours) are flawed doesn't mean that democracy is a bad idea.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (5 children)

    i'd argue it all depends on how one defines democracy. is it an ideal or a state governed by a minoriry of parlament or representatives? depending on that the flaw is either build in or something that can be overcome. either way i believe the solution is anarchy. the question is wherher anarchy is democracy or not...

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    [–] 1 point 7 hours ago

    Personally I am more into sortition as a form of democracy.

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  • [–] 6 points 12 hours ago (16 children)

    Thanks for your ramble on anarchism, it's a good read, but there are some things that always puzzle me with this ideal:

    that is one definition of anarchy but it is not the anarchy that anarchists desire ;3

    How does a society prevent, or at least reduce the chance of, tipping into "everyone just does whatever they want and fucks everyone else over"?

    I can see how this works when the society is small enough that everyone knows everyone else, and can get together to self-correct. Once you get past that size limit though, which is around 150 from the studies I've seen IIRC, you're going to tend to get cliques and factions forming, who may well work against each other, especially if some resource is constrained.

    Capitalism and, what I shall generously call, "representative" democracy as systems seem less at risk as they sort of rely on that behaviour to function. I'm not saying that's good, but it's resilient up to a very high level of inequality.

    we believe that it is a better way of living and organizing and we can start building it here and now by just doing those things

    Absolutely! I see so many people talking about other systems, but comparatively few actually making them happen. In most places there is enough space in the current system to build small examples of different approaches and show how they work better.

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