Realistically what does the dhs even do? Wouldn’t it be more efficient to abolish them and give their authority and funding to the states?
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The people who will fight this the hardest will be the long toothed democrats unfortunately
The whole position and power of the DHS needs to be reviewed and reworked. In most other countries, this is handled by the equivalent Department of the Interior. The department doesn't need to have it's own unchecked military force to get the job done.
DHS formed in the wake of 9/11 because federal agencies could not get their shit together and collaborate. Whether by design or rapid evolution, it became less of a coordinating agency between disparate federal intelligence agencies and more of a mysterious extra-judicial entity with a military arm. Oh and TSA. Let's not forget about humble ole' TSA.
This is your reminder that KGB meant (in Russian) basically the same thing as Department of Homeland Security.
At this point, it's going to be neigh on impossible to do away with the DHS. Few have any idea of just how much stuff has been crammed into that department. Everything from law enforcement down to FEMA and even the fire trucks and boots your local fire department use.
That monster is huge.
Huh, almost like that was the point -- make it so sprawling people can't comprehend getting rid of it. Too bad a lot of us remember a world before the DHS, and it wasn't rampant street terrorism in the USA like they'd have you believe.
If the fire department was put in it then it can be taken out.
Or just disband certain departments of the DHS.
The slogan doesn't have to exactly match the execution.
I do too. And I'm far older than most people here.
I have had to deal with the byzantine bureaucracy we had before and the mess we have now. As I said, killing DHS would be a difficult thing because of the short sighted politicians and the short sighted electorate. Y'all got what you wanted.
Many of us remember the creation of DHS and we said then, and many experts also said then, that the department was going to be bad for Americans. In fact, it has been just as bad as we expected.
Does anyone actually feel safe because of TSA compared with previous airport security? I sure don't. We certainly got safety by having locked reinforced cockpit cabins. But the agents who are doing the scanners, they miss weapons all the time. And of course they don't get paid well so if they wanted to smuggle weapons in I'm sure they could do so easily enough.
And that's before we started talking about ICE.
Honestly, I'm more scared of TSA than anything they are supposedly preventing.
They do prevent a lot water bottles and belt buckles that would otherwise be a serious threat to the safety of good law-abiding citizens.
Security theatre is security theatre. However, prior to TSA airlines were responsible for security. They contracted that security out to the lowest bidder:
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1035131619/911-travel-timeline-tsa
That being said, my argument is not that TSA is better. I'm not arguing at all. I'm just offering some additional information to highlight what came before TSA.
Of course the federal criminal investigation is opaque. They all are; if they were transparent, everyone involved would flee justice and destroy evidence. Ramirez is a rep and should know better.
Anyway, I'm all for the deconstruction of our layers of police state, this is something that progressive dems and classic conservatives can agree on (and everybody in between).
I like police, I'm just not into multiple different agencies doing the same work. It's redundant and it costs billions, we don't need US Border Patrol, ICE, and Department of Homeland Security. Just local and FBI is sufficient.
However, Omar is a thief, and she should be investigated thoroughly, she stinks of corruption and rot. She had no money in 2018 when she was elected, now 8 years later she's a multi-millionaire. She's knee deep in welfare fraud, with her friends already serving decades behind bars for stealing tens of millions of dollars from the welfare system.
She's stealing from the most vulnerable of people, the very people that she should be helping.
... and when Democrats take the majority in a couple weeks, they should also root out and arrest every corrupt Republican that they can (instead of sitting on their ass like they did when Biden was in office). I'm fine with bOtH pArTiEs investigating the other. More of this.
The duplicative nature of DHS isn’t incompetence, it’s deliberate deception. DHS was created to put down dissidents in America, not terrorists.
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It was created in my lifetime and it totally fucking sucks. If we have to cut things because of budgetary concerns, it's a great candidate.
End the Patriot Act.
A lot of us remember an America without it and the DHS. They are both 9/11 knee jerk reactions that have been nothing but bad for us, exactly like the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. We would have been so much better off to just take the (L) after 9/11 but W kept trying for a (W).
DHS has always been a dystopian reminder of the ruination of America that began with the response to 9/11. I never agreed to give up any freedom for their security theater. They just did all that shit to us.
I think the pew research poll immediately after 9/11 shows you're in the minority, unfortunately.
Abolish the police state, don't stop at DHS.
Gotta slowly reverse boil the frog - these are definitely great first steps and will hopefully warm the public up to demilitarizing, then defanging, then defunding/abolishing the police state.
Nope, unless they promise to immediately fix every problem they're not worthy of supporting
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You /s but over at Hexbear they're sth that Mamdani isn't solo sailing to Gaza
No party is more progressive than Democrats when they know their bills have absolutely no hope in hell of passing.
I also advocate for incrementalism, but I do think that very progressive positions need to be staked out and anchored by certain members in Congress, to move the Overton window allowing more moderate Democrats to 'make compromises' and still land everyone in a better position.
For DHS/ICE, if Congress can't herd enough cats to abolish them, they can hamstring anything they are permitted to do without a judge-signed warrant. They can also first cut the slush fund appropriated in 2025. If neither of those things work, they can change the purpose of DHS/ICE to go after employers who abuse undocumented workers or leverage restrictive visas against them, and help immigrants get visas instead of locking up and torturing them.
It's easier to settle on the three improvement positions if the initial anchor is closer to the extreme.
It's not the party, though. There are progressive members of the party, and when they introduce bills like this, the rest of the Democrats cough uncomfortably, and sidle away quietly, leaving the brave progressive to bear the full brunt of the right-wing outrage machine. (See, for example, the Green New Deal.)
It's crazy how many people think we've always had DHS...
There are a lot of adults alive today who’ve had it their entire lives
Go further abort Capitalism
In theory, a cabinet-level department can be removed with a bill that says "this entity is no longer a thing". But capitalism isn't an entity... You can't really remove it so much as you set up entirely new policies that would replace it. And that is a much different ball of wax to figure out
Abolish the Republican party. Abolish corporate entities. Abolish private ownership of powerful technology. Abolish secret science in the form of private research. Everyone needs to know what you're doing with the worlds resources and whether it's a threat to the community. Eliminating the privacy of the powerful is the only surveillance system that is actually needed, for the safety of the community.
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