Presidentialism is a dead-end strand of democracy. Progressives living in such systems everywhere should be pushing to reform it to parliamentarianism. No one election should have such cosmic level effects.
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Vote.
And if you wanna know more about Flávio Bolsonaro, with whom he's hanging out, watch this, it's dubbed, but it's worth watching.
Hopefully the people of Brazil can stand up and fight back against this sad situation. You are not alone in this BS we can and will overcome this.
Starting to feel more and more like humanity doesn't deserve a happy ending.
Think this is organic or mostly the result of US election interference? No way Brazilians are watching the far right clown show around the world and saying "I want in"
No way Brazilians are watching the far right clown show around the world and saying “I want in”
Frustratingly, it's entirely possible. We're seeing a similar thing in Australia with a bunch of imbecilic shills for billionaires and mining companies polling better than they ever have even though they've basically promised to be an Aussie version of the trump administration. We're all fucked, and it's just as much the fault of our friends, neighbours, and families as it is the oligarchs.
No way Brazilians are watching the far right clown show around the world and saying “I want in”
Literally as you said, far right clown show around the world as in: everyone is seeing it and saying "yes please, I want some of that too." it's unfuckingbelievable how this shit keeps happening... It's absolutely going to be the decade (or more) of the far reich. :/
A lot of voters didn't bother voting in the first round, because they knew that it would come down to a second. Brazil has like 20 or so parties, and one has to get over 50% of the votes to win. Just gotta wait for the second round, no point in getting worked up about this one, everyone knew it was going to come down to these two.
At the same time, the vast majority of the 8% who voted for someone other than these two in the first round voted for candidates more right-wing than Bolsonaro. Is there really no good way to remedy a January 6?
This is opposite to what I'm seeing.
Here's the important chart:

From this, the 1.87% difference can be overcome by any of the 3rd-4th-5th place parties. Since I'm unfamiliar with Brazilian politics, Wikipedia says Avante is center-left-leaning (voted for Lula previously), Missao is hard-right-wing, and SDP is confusing but appears to now be center-left-wing. So if we are now pushing their voters to polarized ends, the right- and left-wing runners-up cancel each other out, and the remaining party's votes could swing the election.
The problem will be if the weaker-left two parties divide their votes between Lula and Flavio, and the hard-right Missao goes to Flavio 100-ish%, then Flavio still wins. Or some other problem a real Brazilian will point out since I'm just piecing this together from Wikipedia.
I’ve analyzed all of the candidates appearing in first-round results: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28475259 My takeaway is 4.71% right-wing against just 0.16% Lula-ish. If you search, you’ll also see most news outlets making the same predictions I am.
There is no candidate more to the right of Bolsonaro. He is the frothing-in-the-mouth, extreme-far-right candidate.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28475259
Politics is crazier than one’d think.
The majority of those 8% intend to vote for Lula on the second round, where both Flavio and Lula are tied on the polls and neither is "poised to win".
Also, international press is incompetent.
Also also, WTF does "more right-wing" than alt-right means?
The majority of those 8% intend to vote for Lula on the second round
Source?
both Flavio and Lula are tied on the polls
the round-one polls had Lula leading Flávio by 3 points. the result was instead Flávio leading Lula by 2 points. That's a big miss.
WTF does "more right-wing" than alt-right
I'm not good at Brazillian politics either, but I'm going to research the entire makeup of the 8%:

- Cury's (2.86%) is the only one I'm not sure of. On one hand his party's ideology is moderate "Labourism", on the other hand:
Thaise Lima, a 41-year-old lawyer on her way to vote in Sao Paulo, said her main goal was to get Lula's Workers' Party out of office. "I don't think Flavio is the best candidate, but I might decide to vote for him in the next few minutes," she said, adding that she wished psychiatrist and author Augusto Cury were a more viable candidate.
- Renan Santos (2.24%), Missão: National liberalism, technocapitalism, bukelism, "The Feindstrafrecht says that certain people, as enemies of the society (or the state), do not deserve the protections of the civil or penal law." At least they support sustainability and infrastructure. Santos alleged a "wave" of neurotypical individuals falsely claiming to be autistic to obtain benefits and neurotypivestigated an actress.
- Ronaldo Caiado (2.18%): For some reason "Social Democra-" means economic neoliberalism in Brazil apparently. Party ideology mostly known for pragmatism: "We are neither a right-wing party nor a left-wing nor a centrist party." (?) Caiado is a right-winger known for criticizing Lula and leading opposition to land reform, seems to have similar campaign on crime as Flávio Bolsonaro.
- Romeu Zema (0.27%) in 2023 implied South and Southwest Brazil separatism to the great horror of everyone and Bolsonaro. In 2020, he said "We need to have tools that curb what we might call a natural instinct of human beings" to promote a support program for domestic violence survivors. In May argued for child labor (under 16).
- Samara Martins (0.10%) is left socialist.
- Hertz Dias (0.04%), Fourth International.
- Clariano Barão (0.03%), Christian Democracy party, paternalistic conservatism. Like the German CDU so I'll concede this isn't more right-wing.
- Edmilson Costa (0.02%), communist.
- Wilson Grassi (0.01%), single issue anti-abortion "Woman's Party" known for failing to meet state quota of women candidates in 2017.
- Rui Costa Pimenta (0.01%), of dissident Trotskyists party that praised Taliban and al-Qaeda for triumph "over American imperialism", opposes "gender ideology".
Excluding Cury and Barão, I count 4.71% right-wing against just 0.16% Lula-ish, or against 0.19% if we include Barão in the latter count, or against 3.05% even if we include Cury in the latter (which I quite doubt we can). If we add these numbers to the first-round results of Flávlo vs. Lula, Flávlo'd have a 6-point, 6-point, or 4-point lead.
Source?
Any recent poll. You can search them here:
https://www.planopolitico.com.br/agregador/presidente/
Also, every single polling institute said the prediction for Flavio was underestimated. On basically every poll.
every single polling institute said the prediction for Flavio was underestimated
I can't find that in the polls you linked. They seem to accord with what I said: They showed a 3-point Lula lead until 28 September, and the final averages have a 1.6-point Lula lead, while Flávio Bolsonaro in fact won by 2 points.
I think it's reasonable to assume the round 2 polls also underestimate Flávio to a similar degree, as American (the continents') polls have done with alt-right candidates time and time again. I do not trust you saying this means the 8% will majorly vote for Lula when the evidence above points otherwise, and the media doesn't either.

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