A20 Pro vs Intel Ultra 7 Series 3

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[–] 24 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I hope everyone reading this realizes that score chart is misleading at best.

They failed to point out clearly in the posted image in OP that the scores are for burst compute. As in, if the chip sustained that workload for more than a few seconds it would fry itself.

Taken out of context, everything can be impressive. That title is really, really misleading.

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  • [–] 10 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    Even as someone who despises Apple for their product philosophy, I gotta admit their new chips are baller... Lots of undeserved hate in this thread

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    [–] 24 points 17 hours ago* (2 children)

    They probably optimize for the benchmark.. It's not uncommon

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  • [–] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    The benchmark itself measures burst compute.

    For any sort of sustained workload it's nowhere near laptops, let alone near desktops.

    The whole post, and especially the title and image, are misleading.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago

    It generally is with Apple

    I used to sell their gear, and there was always a lot of shitty comparisons and even boasting about things that existed on the competition, but they just didn't advertise it (because they had it so long)

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  • [–] 20 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

    I don't really like geekbench. It always feels like it favors apple devices.

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  • [–] 26 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    Sometimes companies build product to get high scores, rather than to work well in real settings.

    Apple has done a remarkable job with their silicon though.

    I got an used M1 2020 MacBook Air (base model, no upgrades) back in 2023 and that thing is still going strong. Doesn’t feel slow at all. Not even slightly.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago*

    I got a used 2010 thinkpad and it doesn't feel slow at all (I play solitaire and browse the web on it on Linux Mint)

    I think I need not explain the parallel here, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    I bought an M1 MacBook Air as my first Apple Silicon Mac when they hit the market (longtime Mac user, so direct comparison to Intel Macs). It blew me away. Still have it, despite replacing it with a MBP. At this point, it's the extra screen off to the side playing videos while I nerd out in my office, though it can do much more.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago

    My kid made a 5 minute short in Blender over the summer on an M1 2020 Air. He only used basic textures but was able to render the thing, create the “score”, and then packaged it all together in iMovie all on that little machine. Blew me away given I was only using it to stream shows and surf the ‘net (as we used to say in the older days). Best little laptop ever. Just waiting on that Linux distro….

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  • [–] 23 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    And can do that for two seconds before throttling.

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

    I'm not familiar with GeekBench, but I assume that, as with benchmarking software that I've used in the past, its benchmark runs for more than two seconds to help make numbers reproducible.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago

    Don't worry guys, we'll get a RISC-V device that blows Apple ARM out of the water any second now.

    Annnnyyy second now...

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  • [–] 154 points 1 day ago (18 children)

    All of this performance is wasted on Apple's closed hardware and OS. What a shame.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    On the iPhone, sure, but it would be equally wasted on Android phones because who needs this much performance in a phone anyway. However, I expect them to also use it in next year's Macbook Neo, which is a surprisingly capable laptop for its price with even the A18 Pro chip. It also bodes well for the next generation of their M series chips if the A20 Pro is this fast... and there are TONS of people using Macs for real work. Code compilation in particular got super fast with the M1 Pro and I believe it's great for creative applications too, though I haven't really used those much myself. Creatives types gravitated towards MacOS even before Apple Silicon, especially video editors because of Final Cut Pro.

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    [–] 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    They always do this comparison and it is always misleading. They are the first to get a processor on the new TSMC node, so of course the processor will be faster.

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  • [–] 9 points 22 hours ago*

    Okay, but that Intel CPU was part of the first family of CPUs on Intel's equivalent node (18A) too. If nothing else, it serves as an interesting Intel vs TSMC lithography comparison. Which one would expect TSMC to win anyway, but at least now we have numbers.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

    They’re the first to get the fastest chips, so saying their chips are the fastest is… misleading? But also “of course” it’s true?

    I’m confused.

    I don’t think anybody was misled into thinking it meant this chip would always be the fastest on the market.

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  • [–] 18 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    Saying the first new CPU on a new node is fastest is uninteresting from a technical standpoint, as there isn’t any competition yet, even if it is not inaccurate.

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  • [–] 7 points 20 hours ago* (2 children)

    The average consumer doesn’t care why it’s the fastest. For a time, they’ll have a faster chip than their peers. Only people on Lemmy would say “yeah but that’s only because new nm process, so it doesn’t count!”

    If the conversation is between chip manufacturers talking shop, that matters. For everyone else, it’s irrelevant.

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  • [–] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    For even a semi-informed user, it matters. E.g. you can buy the fastest processor (in this single benchmark, which might be or not be important to you) in a Macbook Pro from Apple for $3000. But knowing that this is only because of the 2nm TSMC node that Apple got first, but Qualcomm, AMD, etc. will also get very soon (a few months), means that you probably will be able to buy an even faster chip in a laptop with Windows or Linux for $2000. Which, depending on what you plan to use the PC, might be just as viable to you.

    So I would say it IS important to users to know the facts of the situation in order to make an informed decision on their next purchase.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    Wouldn't that always be the case though? If you wait until next year you will always be able to buy a faster and better computer. It will likely cost more as well. Seem like if you want the 'fastest' now, you'd buy something with the A20 pro, but hey tomorrow someone else may come out with something faster.

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  • [–] 170 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    It's honestly amazing what these chips can do.

    Unfortunately it's stuck behind the Apple ecosystem.

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    [+] -6 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    Well if Hitler made universal healthcare for all I'd be very wary as well

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