Being the age I am, I’m just old enough to remember flip-phones.

A relatively simple concept that has been on my mind lately for reasons I’ll get to. Widely considered obsolete unless you just want a cheap phone to make calls etc., these phones featured a screen on one side, a keypad on the other, with a hinge joint between the two.

The reason that this device has been dragged back to the front of my brain in recent weeks is because I am reminded of them every time I see this:

To be clear: I’m aware that this foldable iphone is not the first foldable modern smartphone (I know Samsung released them years ago also).

But I’m also left wondering: what is the point? I think I can perfectly understand the use of flip phones as they were when they were popular, but foldable phones I just can’t see the benefit. As far as I can see, these foldable type of phones offer little to no benefit that you couldn’t get from, say a regular iPhone or Samsung phone, in terms of the consumer and how they are used in general life. I get that the hardware/software may be different, but that’s not going to be a factor in most people’s daily lives (you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call, etc.) It seems like it’s more of a gimmick from the companies making them to try and make more sales, but even if that’s the case, the product must have something unique to offer, so what is it about foldable phones that are so unique besides the gimmick of folding?

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[–] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

I wish they'd bring back slider phones with physical keyboards. Pre-smartphone days I used to have a phone (I don't remember what it was) that was a full touch screen with a physical home and back button on the front and then you flipped it sideways and the back slid down and there was an entire physical keyboard for easy typing/texting. I'm not interested in a folding smartphone, but if they released a slider with an actual keyboard I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I loved that phone and I loved being able to type on the screen with a digital keyboard for quick stuff or flip the keyboard out and use actual keys when I wanted to type a novel of a text message.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago

    This is middle tech. It is like walking is to speed walking then running. One fold is proof of concept when we get to 3 or 4 folds that's where the magic happens. People watching a video without headphones out in public on a tiny screen, pretty annoying. We are three folds away from someone unfolding a 32" screen to watch their content anywhere also without headphones.

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    It’s so assholes on public transport or other public places with absolutely no sense of decency and narcissism that would rival the orange idiot can play videos, or music without headphones. Also, if you’re one of those people, fuck you

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    As someone who's used one before. I can see the benefit. But in order to be useful, it would need to replace something. Right now, the main thing it replaces is tablets. Me personally, I dont care for tablets and its also why i dont like folding phones. Either I do whatever I need to do on my phone or my laptop.

    But the more interesting idea is it replacing the laptop. The idea of a singular device being able to run both desktop and mobile apps, makes it a little more intriguing. The closest you can get to this right now is Samsung dex (and I think android 17?). Hopefully in the future though, Linux phones will become more stable and useable. That'd genuinely be amazing.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    Well, if you're my friend's kid, the point is to make it super easy to accidentally shatter the screen when you close it.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 child)
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    Yeah, I felt super bad cuz she had her own flip and it was a year or two old at that point, but her kid closed it on a small bit of something and that was enough, apparently.

    Definitely doesn't make me want a foldable phone, I'm too damned forgetful and would absolutely fuck up my phone like that.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago

    this sounds like one of those "i don't like this book even though i haven't read it" kind of things.

    Surely you can't so lack in imagination to understand expended screen real estate on a pocketable. computer is something people might think is a benefit?

    I'd be lucky to make a call a month on my Moto Flip (50 ultra),

    When i fold it down it's tiny and easily pocketable and when i flip it open on the 2 hr high speed train ride I just took, it's a great size. for catching up with a couple videos. It's unfolded now, the bigger screen at the top of the on screen kb is nice I got this one for an excellent price, 50% of rrp and had $200 in nearly expired vouchers but the screen isn't that much higher then a slab phone but is 1/2 the size in my pocket and I can do a fair bit on the outside screen re messages etc

    I'd like a Samsung Fold 8 but can't justify the price, also when i travel i think I wouldn't need a laptop at all, a small foldable kb and mouse because it's really a pocket computer.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    If cost was no different I would get one if they would do it right. Motorola had one that had a normal phone sized screen and then folded in half like a dumbphone but then they put onther screen on the outside. I would like it designed to protect the screen when closed and I don't want another screen on the outside to be available to break. conversely I use a tablet and having a phone that gave that larger form factor as an option would be great. now really my ultimate though is just a dumb/featur/flip:phone that can act as a mobile hotspot and that you can connect to and go through all the settings and features and such from a web browser to the local address of the phone. especially to upload/download contacts and calendar.

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  • [–] 28 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

    It's a full color tablet that fits in your pocket. That comes with huge quality of life improvements displaying PDFs, e-books, comics, spreadsheets, charts, diagrams, videos, etc. Have you ever tried reading a PDF on a phone screen? It sucks.

    I've had a fold for a couple years now, and I use the inner screen constantly. If you don't read as much as I do it's probably just a gimmick, but it's great for me.

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    [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    Because I can’t fit a tablet in my pocket

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  • [–] 85 points 19 hours ago (40 children)

    you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call...

    It's not really a phone anymore. It's a portable pocket computer. Being able to unfold a larger screen makes sense for a portable pocket computer.

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  • [–] 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (6 children)

    Yes, this is the answer and it's not that hard to understand.

    What is hard to understand is the value proposition. Flips are more expensive for a lower spec device, and they're very unreliable--they're still breaking alot; wouldn't expect more than 2 years out of one.

    For most people in the pocket computer market, their needs would be more economically served by a high end phone and a mid tablet, or a high end tablet and mid phone, both items having a naturally longer life than a flip, and will each be used less, and are individually replacable.

    All-in-all, flip phones are a fine concept, but at their price point and longevity, they don't make a ton of sense for most people. Just easier to carry a tablet or put up with the smaller screen.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (1 child)

    For most people in the pocket computer market, their needs would be more economically served by a high end phone and a mid tablet, or a high end tablet and mid phone

    Which makes it frustrating that the tablet market is so tiny compared to the phone one. And many of them have worse specs than even entry-level smartphones (Samsung is still selling the S6 Lite, which has a paltry 4GB of RAM and can barely handle running a single heavy app without crashing).

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago*

    And Samsung is really quite awful in terms of locking down the OS, second only to Apple, which really has some really good tablets; though it is so damn annoying that the mini has such extreme hardware. It's like they KNOW that's the form factor people want, so they make it as expensive as possible.

    My daily drivers are a Pixel 7, a 10+ y-o gaming PC running linux, and a mid Galaxy Tab A, mostly for browsing. The Pixel downloads my torrents, and the gaming PC runs my media server and does some AI stuff.

    I think I'm happier having several mid-range devices that are adequate for the task they are put to than having fewer devices that are more capable.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (1 child)

    Flips are more expensive for a lower spec device

    The hell are you talking about? They tend to have roughly the same technical specs as their single-screen counterparts, with the only exception being the camera because of physics.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago

    First, I meant folds, not flips..

    Second, you are right; I had some old but also specific information I was misapplying.

    That said, it will always be true that you're paying more for the screen; if you want to pay the same price for a foldable, you're sacrificing on hardware..

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  • [–] 5 points 14 hours ago

    That's the reason I got a folding phone. I picked up a used OG Puxel Fold for around $300, installed GrapheneOS, and installed Termux. Unfolds into a large enough screen to make desktop PC application use work well. I regularly code on it and have Qt Creator and VSCode always available. I wish I could put postmarketOS or some other real Linux OS on it, but the screen makes it more viable than my actual Linux OnePlus 6 for desktop application use. It fits in my pocket too, which tablets do not.

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    [–] 12 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    Bigger screen, smaller pocket size.

    They also break easier so you have to buy more phones.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm gonna throw a big asterisk here though. I bought my current pixel 9 pro fold in 2024 and it didn't break until today, when I was opening it. I saw nothing to indicate why it happened.

    I have dropped it enough to be amazed it's late this long.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago

    I saw nothing to indicate why it happened.

    That alone is a giant red flag to me. I just don't like the idea of adding complexity where it isn't necessary but I understand that is a choice some people make.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Screen is always protected though and those screens were very easy to scratch.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago

    They can be damaged by dirt getting in the hinge. Iirc, the Pixel fold is the least at risk at an IP68 rating, but other brands tend to be IP4X (the first number is how resistant to particles)

    If a piece of sand gets caught in the hinge it can permanently cause the screen to bubble out.

    For the record, I've had a Samsung Z Fold the past 2 years without much issue besides the cases and protectors always falling apart within a year. And I'm going to switch to a Pixel Fold soon for Graphene OS

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  • [–] 5 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

    I own a Motorola razer 2020, absolutely love this phone! It's five years old. Love that it folds and fits in my hand, pockets, cup holders and the like. When I'm ready I will most definitely get the new Razor.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Cool, but I gotta ask… cup holders? May I ask in what context is one storing their phone in a cup holder?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    In the context of people who use their phone while driving because they selfishly don’t care about the lives of people around them and can’t just wait a few minutes before responding to messages and watching videos.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    I agree that I don't see a point. I do want to say, phone is a legacy term though. They aren't used to make phone calls often.

    The advantage I could see would be to use desktop-ratio content on a mobile device. Smart phone resolution has become so common this isn't an issue though. In fact the wider content is far less supported for phones specifically. There's probably a handful of jobs where that format is better, but I don't see the advantage for consumers.

    My brother had a foldable Samsung years ago, and it's the only foldable phone he's had, which should tell you something. There's really no advantage and several disadvantages. It's a gimmick and that's it.

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  • [–] 11 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    The functionality of a tablet with the portability of a phone. Seems straightforward and practical to me idk

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago

    I’d rather have a phone that flips down to the size of a pocket watch. I can’t ever imagine wanting my phone to be even bigger but still less useful than a tablet but there must be a market for it I guess.

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    [–] 40 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    No point.

    We basically hit the ceiling with phones ten years ago.

    There's no way to improve them without a massive shift in technology [think the shift from prop planes to jets]

    Now they have to come up with new gimmicks to convince people to upgrade.

    It's like 1950's Detroit putting bigger and bigger fins on cars that were basically the same as the 1930's technology.

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    [–] 6 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    They break faster than non-folding phones, giving manufacturers an endless source of new revenue.

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    [–] 18 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    As the owner of a fold6 I can tell you that one of the reasons I got it is that it could replace the occasional tablet use when you need more space eg maps and pictures.

    In that, it succeeded quite well. However, everything is now optimized toward the standard phone format so it's nice but not really that important.

    Would I buy a phone with a foldable display again? No, because after 22 months with like 1 fold a day the protection already comes off (replacing it is only 20€ if paid but I have to go on a field trip to get it made) and the price for the device is just not worth it.

    So next time standard format again.

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    [–] 3 points 13 hours ago

    I have a vertical folding one and I actually get way more use out of the front screen. It's way nicer to hold and use the small form factor than the big one. You can also use the phone as it's own kickstand and I really enjoy that. Mostly the benefit for me is only using the inside screen when I need to.

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