The latest Apple Watch models have some new features: they can listen to the sounds around you all day, transcribe snippets of conversation on demand and write up summaries of everything they heard.

The new features may run into problems with privacy laws, particularly those that require consent from people being recorded, but also with unspoken social conventions about speech.

When we talk with other people, we have some expectations about what happens to our words. Our comfort comes from what information scientist Helen Nissenbaum calls contextual integrity: the expectation that information moves around according to the norms of the setting in which it is shared.

What you say across a cafe table, in a bathroom, at a dinner party, at a town hall meeting or during a television broadcast is said for the people present and for the purposes apparent in that moment. Until now, our ambient conversations were not said for an auto-magical summarizer to fold into someone else's searchable life records.

Apple can encrypt, minimize and delete all it wants, but data protection isn't the problem. The problem is that a conversation has been quietly rerouted from the room where it happened into a device, service and product.

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[–] 56 points 1 month ago (22 children)

In my state you are not allowed to record conversations if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy.

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    [–] 36 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    That makes them extremely illegal devices in private rooms.

    (German law)

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    In practice you need to either disallow people entering private rooms or force them to take off the Apple watch. I can't wait for the first person to tell this and see the outraging reaction.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    In practice you need to either disallow people entering private rooms or force them to take off

    Well, I could do that anyway but that's not what the law is about.

    The law says, who uses such a device in a private room (restroom, bedroom), goes to jail for several years.

    So it doesn't need me to tell that person "do not enter" or anything.

    There is another law (harder to explain in foreign language) that forbids to create or have (!) any devices that do recording and telecommunication but look like something else.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Sure, not trying to tell you something else. Theoretically that's going to happen, but only if someone reports it (probably you in this scenario) and evidence is sufficient for conviction. That's why I was adding my expection about reality.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Pretty much all "smart" devices are always listening

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    Pretty much all "smart" devices are always listening

    Bull.

    My home is full of smart sensors, actors and little controllers. None of them needs a microphone so far. They have so much better ways to talk to each other.

    I need a microphone only when I want to talk to other humans.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure Europe's GDPR has something to say about that.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago*

    Nah. Unfortunately Chat Control law has effectively killed GDPR in Europe. All Apple has to say is that they are listening for possible CSAM and they are free to listen to everyone all the time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    surveillance state is now old man

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Friendly reminder that Pebble watches are back and open source and better than ever.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    doesnt the iphone listen as well?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Are you trying to tell me the old ones don't listen already?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Oh then they get to hear a lot of my horrifying intrusive thoughts that sometimes slip out when i'm alone.

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    Wasn't there a document created that stands in place of a procedure outlined on an old sheet of something that, i think starts with ve or pa, that lets someone look at everything moved around by charged particles within the 50 units of a certain global identifying unit? it is identified by two vowels.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    man apple post steve jobs…

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